Eco-psychologist Adrian joins me to talk connection, nature research, the four elements, the power of place, animism of the moment, The Emerald, rebranding paganism, people and place, drugs being cool, and demons and cults taking over the world. And really great, and often controversial, conversation between old friends.

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More information about Adrian's work - https://embodiedpathways.org/