In this episode, Keltie is joined by friend, Lisa Patterson, who shares how her and her partner are navigating parenting roles in a way that goes against traditional norms. Hear Keltie and Lisa discuss...

• How Lisa made the decision to become a parent, despite it not having been a part of her life's "success criteria"
• How she and her partner have communicated about and negotiated their respective parenting roles
• The way others have responded to Lisa and Andy's role reversal of "primary" and "secondary" parent
• The perks of raising a child outside of the U.S.
• The tension between and trouble fitting the all-or-nothing categories of "mom" vs. "career woman".

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  Find Lisa on Instagram at instagram.com/captlisann About Lisa Lisa Patterson is an outdoor enthusiast, tech nerd, vinophile and working mom. __ Join an upcoming Kids or Childfree workshop here: kidsorchildfree.com/workshop Check out our free resources here, or at kidsorchildfree.com/free-resources And don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review The Kids or Childfree Podcast if you love what you're hearing! You can leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts, or a rating on Spotify. Find us online at www.kidsorchildfree.com. Instagram: www.instagram.com/kidsorchildfree TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@kidsorchildfree