In this Part 2 crossover with Luka Hocevar of the Vigor Life Podcast, Cody and Luka go deep on real program design, client results, and what separates average trainers from true professionals.

They break down how elite coaches think about principles vs. methods, why wildly different programs can both work, and how to sequence training so clients actually progress instead of getting beat up. You’ll hear stories from decades in the trenches—coaching gen pop, pro athletes, and everyone in between—and why mentorship, apprenticeship, and communication skills matter just as much as sets and reps.

This is a must-listen for coaches, trainers, and serious lifters who want to build programs—and careers—that actually last.

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