We continue our "both sides of the debate" series - this time it's all about accountability.

Andy (and with a little help from from Chat GPT) begins her counterargument against herself from episode 59. There first point: "Root cause does (not) exist"

In an attempt to model a debate team, we argue against HOP, the problems (we're told) it causes, and why we should continue with the status quo.

(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the reality of work often doesn't make it to the top.

We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive.

We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP".

Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP.

We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites depending on company size) can try HOP before the organization makes a large shift.

The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization.

Link for paper reference: http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf

What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action.