(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the reality of work often doesn't make it to the top.

We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive.

We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP".

Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP.

We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites depending on company size) can try HOP before the organization makes a large shift.

The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization.

Link for paper reference: http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf

What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action.

Andy and Matt discuss "step 0" or what you need to ask yourself before you try to bring HOP into an organization.

We celebrate 50 episodes of A HOP Podcast (with no name) and share what it's been like from our perspective.

Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron.