If you want to change the way people lead, maybe you should go to the source of where they're taught to lead – business schools. Maybe the way we teach people to lead should change.

Christopher Reina is the Founding and Executive Director of the Institute for Transformative Leadership and an Associate Professor in the Department of Management and Entrepreneurship at Virginia Commonwealth University.

Chris came into our orbit at Barry-Wehmiller a number of years ago. Our relationship with Chris blossomed into a partnership at Virginia Commonwealth University, spearheaded by our Director of Outreach, Brian Wellinghoff, who is now their Executive in Residence.

Chris has also recently published a paper in the Academy of Management Review, titled "Humanistic Organizing: The Transformative Force of Mindful Organizational Communication," that lays out a framework for businesses to transform into more people-centered organizations where individuals feel valued and a strong sense of belonging. And it features Barry-Wehmiller as one of its case studies.

On this podcast, we're bringing Chris and Brian together to talk about the partnership at VCU to transform the way leadership is taught.