Leonardo Mercado, known as The Peyote Lorax, joins me for Episode 209 to talk about the ecological and legal crisis threatening peyote, the sacred cactus at the center of Native American Church ceremonies.

We get into peyote's collapse in its only natural range, the contradictions inside the federal exemption that governs who can legally possess and cultivate it, and the Seed to Ceremony conservation project Leo is building through Morningstar Conservancy in Arizona.

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• 🏜️The Morningstar Conservancy: https://morningstarconservancy.org/
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• Check Out Leo on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepeyotelorax/
• Buy some art from Leo: https://morningstarconservancy.org/shop

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• (00:00) Opening
• (03:45) Interview begins
• (04:51) Peyote as a desert food, not a psychedelic
• (11:02) The teepee ceremony and the fire chief
• (15:08) Leo's early vision quest and the capsule story
• (26:20) Where peyote grows and why that matters
• (29:40) How peyote's wild population collapsed
• (34:08) The Native American Church and the legal exemption
• (38:34) Why peyote still isn't listed as endangered
• (46:35) The peyote carve-out in decrim bills and why it backfires
• (52:13) Ad Break: Amentara
• (54:57) The federal exemption as an exertion of dominance
• (1:02:51) The 25% Indian blood rule and who gets left out
• (1:09:28) Patreon Thanks
• (1:11:36) Would full decriminalization help or hurt wild populations?
• (1:15:42) What realistic legislative change would look like
• (1:23:39) The Peyote Lorax: how Morningstar Conservancy began
• (1:29:49) The Seed to Ceremony program
• (1:33:21) How you can support peyote conservation
• (1:44:41) Outro

Ibogaine is regularly categorized as a psychedelic — but that label may be misleading in ways that matter. In this micro, James offers a crash course in what ibogaine actually is: where it comes from, how its unusual pharmacology works, what it does to the mind, and why it holds a position in addiction medicine that no other drug on earth can claim. The risk profile is part of the picture too.

This is a clip from 'Psychedelics in Research & Practice | James W. Jesso', Adventures Through The Mind Podcast, episode 200

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• Treating Traumatic Brain Injury with Ibogaine | Dr. Nolan Williams ~ ATTMind 188
• Ibogaine Medical Subculture | Jonathan Dickinson ~ ATTMind 003

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• (00:00) — What is ibogaine?
• (00:43) — An oneirogen, not a psychedelic
• (01:33) — Closed-eye visuals and the life review
• (02:02) — Pharmacological complexity: the "14th century key" metaphor
• (04:39) — Duration and physical challenges of the experience
• (06:34) — Cardiac risk: the only psychedelic that can directly cause death
• (09:01) — Encountering ancestors and the Bwiti tradition
• (09:51) — A brief history: from West Africa to underground use
• (10:58) — Stopping opioid addiction in a single session
• (12:21) — The current treatment landscape
• (14:44) — Reversing traumatic brain injury: the Stanford research
• (18:47) — Brain de-aging and multiple sclerosis potential
• (19:53) — Outro

You can buy Lanmaoa asiatica at a food market in Yunnan. Cook it thoroughly and it's just a bolete. Undercook it, and roughly 12 to 24 hours later you may spend the next three to seven days seeing hyper-realistic miniature people moving through your environment — documented across three independent cultures, mechanism completely unknown. Ethnobotanist Colin Domnauer (Dentinger Lab, Natural History Museum of Utah) is one of the few people actively trying to understand why.

Colin and I get into what's actually documented about Lanmaoa asiatica — the three independent cultural accounts, the unusual onset and duration, and what the phenomenology of the hallucinations themselves suggests about mechanism. We talk about why this mushroom has received almost no formal scientific attention, what studying it would even look like, and what it might reveal about how psychedelic effects are produced in fungi more broadly. There's also a lot we just don't know — and we sit in that honestly.

🌀 Episode Show Notes and other Relevant Links

• 📚 Read Colin's Article on Lanmaoa asiatica - The mushroom making people hallucinate dozens of tiny humans
• Follow Colin on Instagram: @eating_gaia — where he posts research updates and mushroom photos
• The Dentinger Lab at the Natural History Museum of Utah — for anyone interested in pursuing research in the field

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• (00:00) Opening
• (02:35) Ad Break
• (03:11) Interview Begins
• (03:19) From Astrophysics to Ethnomycology: An Unusual Path Into Psychedelic Research
• (07:44) Discovering Lanmaoa Asiatica: The Hallucinogenic Bolete of Southeast Asia
• (13:03) Lilliputian Hallucinations: The Psychiatric Phenomenon of Seeing Tiny People
• (16:37) Seeing Little People for Days: Cultural Attitudes & the Duration of Effects
• (20:26) Delirium or Psychedelic? What fMRI Data & Eyewitness Reports Reveal
• (23:53) More Real Than a Dream: The Uncanny Stability of These Hallucinations
• (30:12) Mushrooms, Fairies & Ancient Folklore: The Deep Connection to Little People
• (32:53) Patreon Thanks
• (35:23) Is This Mushroom Dangerous? Safety Data from ~1,000 Hospital Cases
• (45:00) Hunting for the Active Compound: Why It's Not Psilocybin or Ibotenic Acid
• (50:04) Ad Break
• (51:55) Are There More Hallucinogenic Bolete Species Around the World?
• (55:03) Why Psychoactive Compounds Evolve in Nature
• (1:00:36) Future Research, a 3rd-Century Taoist Text & How to Follow Colin's Work
• (1:08:03) Follow up links and socials
• (1:09:55) Outro

Psychedelics don't just "alter" your state — they can dissolve the self, surface the unconscious, and open the door to mystical experience. Your host, James, shares what's actually happening.

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This is a clip from 'Psychedelics in Research & Practice | James W. Jesso ~ ATTMind Podcast 200"

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This episode of the podcast is going to explore an intersection of psychotherapy and spirituality.

Specifically, we are going to be exploring the intersection between Internal Family Systems, spiritual healing, and the work of 16c Christian philosopher and mystic Emanuel Swedenborg. Our guests are Bob Falconer, Chelsea Odhner, and Jonathan Rose.

What You'll Learn About:

📚 Introduction to Internal Family Systems (IFS) and the teachings of Emmanuel Swedenborg 🔗 The intersection and synthesis between these two systems of thinking 🧠 Fundamental metaphysical concepts: the nature of the mind and the nature of the self ✨ The relationship with the divine, including concepts of heaven, hell, freedom, and salvation 🔓 The structure and porosity of the mind, including the mind being populated by a multiplicity of beings, both internal and external 🩹 Practical application: working with these beings to heal trauma and cultivate a better life

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• (00:00) Opening
• (06:10) Interview Begins: introducing our guests, James' Swedenborg connection
• (08:14) Who Swedenborg was: scientist turned mystic
• (10:43) What IFS is: mind as many parts, not one
• (12:46) Chelsea bridges both worlds via healing path
• (17:10) Understanding healing as a spiritual journey
• (22:20) IFS is secretly spiritual: Self as divine link
• (25:42) Salvation etymologically means health and healing
• (26:55) Mind as multi-levelled household with a head
• (33:21) Self can never be damaged, even by deep trauma
• (34:37) Divine inflow and the protection of our freedom
• (43:15) Porosity of mind: What if the voices in your head aren't yours?
• (49:06) Heaven hell as states chosen by what we love
• (52:25) Levels of mind correspond to levels of heaven and the different spirits we are in contact with
• (59:50) The Citadel Of The Mind model underlying mental illness
• (1:05:50) Distinguishing inner parts from dark entities
• (1:10:25) Angels respect freedom; demons seek control
• (1:19:59) Hidden demons gain power only through our fear
• (1:31:42) Psychedelics as portal to spiritual porosity
• (1:43:42) Learning to sober navigate the psychedelic nature of spiritual reality
• (1:47:55) Closing: what one thing should listeners take home?
• (1:48:55) Practice self-witnessing in difficult interactions
• (1:51:33) Act as if loved and supported by angelic forces
• (1:56:51) Follow Up Links and Goodbyes
• (1:59:27) Outro

This episode is going to be a deep dive into extended-state dimethyltryptamine, otherwise known as DMTx.

Our guests for this episode are Hayley Mann and Kevin Thorbahn, who run Dream Mind Labs one of only a handful of places in the world where DMTx is available outside of clinical trials.

They are on the show to talk about:

🧬 What DMTx is and how it works 🌀 What people experience during a DMTx session 🙋 Why people choose to undergo the experience ⏱️ How long people stay in for 💡 What people get out of the experience 🏥 Where DMTx may fit in the growing psychedelic medical and personal use landscape ⚖️ The legal situation in Colorado that allows them to legally run Dream Mind Labs ⚠️ The dangers present in undergoing DMTx 👽 The nearly universal experience of encountering and communicating with entities or aliens 🔫 The "DMT laser thing" 🎵 The role of music and sound during a DMTx session 🤯 Some of the weirder things they have experienced as facilitators

This was a super interesting interview for me, and I found Haley and Kevin very easy and joyful to talk with. It was easily one of the most at-ease and "myself" I have felt in an interview in a long time, and I look forward to sharing it with you now.

Enjoy!

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✉️ Connect with Dream Mind Labs

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• (00:00) Ad (Amentara)
• (00:36) Opening
• (04:46) Interview Begins
• (04:55) The legality of DMTx and other psychedelics in Colorado
• (11:04) DMTx, what it is and how it works
• (16:33) How long people stay in the DMT experience
• (18:00) The level of intensity people go into
• (20:27) How participants communicate their needs during their infusion
• (21:57) Dose complexities and time in peak dose
• (24:46) How Kevin and Haley got into providing DMTx
• (33:19) Why people chose to explore DMTx
• (39:33) Ad (Amentara)
• (41:26) Reported benefits from DMTx
• (46:50) Spontaneous healing through DMTx?
• (52:04) The "DMT Laser Thing"
• (57:25) The variety of experience
• (1:01:00) The use and presence of sound and music during a DTMx experience
• (1:05:47) No Glossolalia (yet)
• (1:07:19) The strange things that happen for the facilitators
• (1:13:41) Patreon thanks
• (1:16:01) The bio-medical risks of DTMx
• (1:22:50) The psychological risks of DMTx, short- and long-term
• (1:26:38) Potential future clinical uses of DMTx
• (1:29:24) Integration and aftercare protocols
• (1:31:46) Ongoing data collection and future research ideas
• (1:34:44) A wondering about weight-based dosing
• (1:36:57) Future hopes and concerns about DTMx
• (1:42:53) Follow-up links and contact details
• (1:44:44) Outro

Research Psychologist Jessica Corneille discusses the complex integration process that follows spontaneous spiritual experiences—particularly the disorientation, vocational tension, and identity shifts that can arise when a transformed worldview no longer aligns with one's work or social context.

The conversation explores the emergence of spiritual crisis during integration, the importance of non-hierarchical support spaces, and how connection, community, and spiritual literature (including reflections on Alan Watts) can help individuals rebuild a coherent sense of self and purpose after awakening.

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This is a clip from 'Spontaneous Spiritual Awakenings: Qualities, Causes, and Consequences | Jessica Corneille ~ ATTMind Podcast 171"

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Thomas Hatsis joins us for episode 205 to discuss his new book Psychedelic Injustice: How Identity Politics Poisons the Psychedelic Renaissance.

Together we discuss some pretty divisive topics: the distinction between social justice and critical social justice, how certain narratives are being imposed on the psychedelic movement, implicit bias research, decolonization rhetoric, the drug war's actual causes, and contested claims about psychedelic history.

This one might get spicy for you. Enjoy responsibly.

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• 🌀 Website and Episode Show Notes
• 📚 GET THE BOOK: Psychedelic Injustice: How Identity Politics Poisons the Psychedelic Renaissance
• 🤓 READ TOM's SUBSTACK: https://tomhatsis.substack.com/
• 🤳 FOLLOW TOM ON INSTAGRAM: @TOM.HATSIS
• 🎥 Check Tom Out On YouTube @TomHatsisTalk for his culture war content and @EntheoHistorian for his psychedelic history content

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• (00:00) Opening
• (06:40) Interview Begins
• (07:32) Confronting The Imposition Of Controversy
• (10:10) The difference between Social Justice and Critical Social Justice
• (14:34) "The Narrative"
• (18:57) How "The Narrative" is being imposed up the psychedelic movement
• (25:57) What is the Psychedelic Renaissance such that Critical Social Justice is undermining it
• (34:46) the Critical Social Justice playbook is antithetical to the themes of psychedelic healing
• (36:23) Patreon Thanks
• (39:47) Why so hard, on the Left?
• (45:06) "Pro-Fa" ideological attacks in Psychedelia (Psymposia)
• (53:52) The "Theorists" and how they are compromising the psychedelic movement (Chacruna)
• (1:00:21) Discussing the realities and falsehoods of "implicit biases"
• (1:07:45) The Psychedelic Social Justice Warrior, well-meaning but misinformed
• (1:09:41) A quick discussion the the importance of quality citations
• (1:12:28) The Three Specific "Narratives" Undermining Psychedelia
• (1:13:09) The "Decolonize Narrative"
• (1:17:01) A quick aside considering "a different way of knowing"
• (1:17:50) Using inaccurate narratives about indigenous peoples to prop up the "decolonize narrative"
• (1:20:45) There was very little psychedelic use amongst indigenous people in North America
• (1:25:51) The "Racist Narrative", and how racism is not fuelling the drug war
• (1:32:08) Dr. Carl Hart and the fallacy of denouncing psychedelic exceptionalism
• (1:41:49) Oregon's Failed Drug Decriminalization
• (1:47:59) A short aside sharing anecdotes about video game addiction
• (1:50:30) The "Gender Narrative", the shield and the spear
• (1:55:52) The inaccurate portrayal of psychedelic gay conversion therapy
• (1:58:41) Concluding The Interview, Follow Up Links and Social
• (2:00:43) Follow Up Links and Socials
• (2:03:37) Outro

Dr. David Katz is a board-certified specialist in Preventive Medicine/Public Health.

He is on the show to talk about the paper is was author on, titled, "A multiscale inflammatory map: linking individual stress to societal dysfunction".

We talk about what stress and inflammation are, and the dynamics between them; how and why inflammation becomes chronic; how inflammation compromises perception and behaviour; how it can spread through a population like a contagion; how these spreading patterns of inflammation degrade our social systems, institutions, and leadership; how social media works as s supercharged networks for spreading inflammation; and what we can do about it, right here and now, starting within ourselves.

Enjoy.

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• (00:00) Opening
• (06:31) Interview Begins
• (08:22) The limits of reductionism and the value of multidisciplinary collaboration
• (13:45) Inflammation, Stress, and the dynamic between them within the individual
• (24:59) The primitive value of relationships with non-human beings for our wellbeing
• (26:23) How and why inflammation between chronic
• (35:10) The brain as the master regulator of our response to stressors
• (46:28) The brain as a driver of inflammation
• (49:52) Correcting the degenerative cascade of poor sleep on mental and physical health through inflammatory processes
• (51:51) How inflammation spreads between people
• (55:46) Social media as a supercharged network for spreading inflammation
• (1:03:15) Patreon Thanks
• (1:05:39) How stress and inflammation can change a whole society
• (1:09:16) Stress as a virus, each of us could be the cure
• (1:13:24) How runaway feed forward processes of inflammation can degrade an entirely society, our society
• (1:23:07) What we can do about it, entering the upward spiral towards personal vitality
• (1:31:45) How choosing the cultivate our own wellbeing can positively effect others
• (1:34:15) A hopeful note to end off on
• (1:36:22) Follow up links
• (1:37:54) Outro

Psychedelic historian Tom Hatsis outlines why the "mushroom Santa hypothesis" is not based in any historical fact and why.

Happy Holidays!

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This is a clip from 'Debunking The Mushroom Santa Hypothesis | Tom Hatsis ~ ATTMind Podcast 89"

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