Isabelle is back from Africa where she had an obnoxiously luxe few weeks (and met a racist named Lindy). We talk Elizabeth Holmes - the scandal everyone can't seem to get enough of. And in the wake of another ambition-gone-wrong tale, we question: Is ambition overrated? And are we working ourselves to death out of fear not doing so is going to let the feminist side down? Plus, a deep-dive on the Madeline McCann documentary. Read:On Michael Jackson by Margo Jefferson https://www.booktopia.com.au/on-michael-jackson-margo-jefferson/prod9781783784202.htmlAdele by Leila Slimanihttps://www.booktopia.com.au/adele-leila-slimani/prod9780571331956.htmlEverything I Know About Love by Dolly Alderton https://www.penguin.com.au/books/everything-i-know-about-love-9780241982105The Argument podcasthttps://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-new-york-times/the-argumentTo Live and Die In LA podcast (2019)https://www.radio.com/media/podcast/live-and-die-laUs (2019) by Jordan Peelehttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt6857112/'The Ending of 'Us' Explained' by Grace O'Neill for ELLE.com.auhttps://www.elle.com.au/culture/us-movie-ending-explained-20150New York Times' The Daily Podcast: 'How New Zealand Banned Assault Rifles in 7 Days'https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/podcasts/the-daily/new-zealand-gun-ban.htmlPandora Sykes' for The Times: 'Is an Obsession With Achievement Holding You Back?'https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fomog-fear-missing-out-goals-is-obsession-achievement-holding-you-back-x3l06dmnpThe Ambition Collision by Lisa Miller for The Cut https://www.thecut.com/2017/09/what-happens-to-ambition-in-your-30s.htmlThe Dropout podcast (2019)http://abcradio.com/podcasts/the-dropout/The Inventor: Out For Blood in Silicon Valley (2019) by Alex Gibney and HBOhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt8488126/'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann' (2019) on Netflixhttps://www.netflix.com/title/80194956You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'

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Surprise! It’s an early edition of After Work Drinks this week because let’s be honest, there’s nothing we’re going to want to talk about more than the Michael Jackson documentary (and shocking allegations of abuse in Leaving Neverland). Unlike R. Kelly’s ‘Ignition’, it feels futile and impossible to try and ban or remove Michael Jackson’s music so, if we believe Wade and James, how do we move forward? And why, after all we’ve learned from #MeToo, are we still seeing the credibility of victims be viciously undermined? Plus, on a lighter note, we have a few good watches, reads and listens to ingest and Zadie Smith’s tip for productivity. This episode deals with heavy issues including childhood sexual abuse. While we made the conscious decision not to discuss the allegations in any graphic detail, the topic may be distressing for some listeners. If you feel you need help, the below resources are helpful:Lifeline: 13 11 141800 RESPECT: 1800 737 732ChildWise: 1300 244 539Recommendations:Calypso by David Sedarishttps://www.booktopia.com.au/calypso-david-sedaris/prod9781408707821.htmlThe White Album by Joan Didionhttps://www.booktopia.com.au/the-white-album-joan-didion/prod9780374532079.htmlRussian Doll on Netflixhttps://www.netflix.com/title/80211627 Exposed: The Case of Keli Lane on ABChttps://iview.abc.net.au/show/exposed-the-case-of-keli-lane Esther Perel in the New Yorkerhttps://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/love-is-not-a-permanent-state-of-enthusiasm-an-interview-with-esther-perel ‘Where Should We Begin?’ by Esther Perel season three on Audiblehttps://www.audible.com.au/pd/Esther-Perels-Where-Should-We-Begin-The-Arc-of-Love-Audiobook/B07H7P2DPR Difficult Women by Roxanne Gayhttps://www.hachette.com.au/roxane-gay/difficult-womenThe Cut on Tuesdays https://www.gimletmedia.com/the-cut-on-tuesdaysThe OA - Netflix https://www.netflix.com/title/80044950Zadie Smith on The Toure Showhttps://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cadence13/toure-show/e/53184632Leaving Neverland by Dan Reed and HBOhttps://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/leaving-neverland/2019/3/leaving-neverland--part-2 'Reckoning with the Real Michael Jackson' The New York Times' The Dailyhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/podcasts/the-daily/michael-jackson-abuse-leaving-neverland.htmlThe Michael Jackson accusers: ‘The abuse didn’t feel strange, because he was like a god’ by Hadley Freeman in The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/04/the-michael-jackson-accusers-the-abuse-didnt-feel-strange-because-he-was-like-a-god‘Why Oprah’s ‘Neverland’ special was so important’ by Taylor Weatherby for Billboardhttps://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8501577/why-oprahs-leaving-neverland-special-was-so-important

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This episode our long awaited debrief of ~the~ celebrity interview of 2019 is here (It's irony people! That was obviously the Biebers). Grace is still espousing Konspiracy theories – but overall we’re just kind of bored of all this Kardashian business. Is 2019 the year we official stop karing about them altogether? Plus, Johnny Depp is suing Amber Heard for $70 million and it has, strangely, ignited some more girl-on-girl hatred toward Amber Heard. Why does she still inspire so much fury? And what does it say about feminism that we still can't make sense of the Depp/Heard allegations in 2019? Younger (watch at your own risk)https://www.stan.com.au/watch/youngerHappy Face podcasthttps://www.thehappyfacepodcast.com/Who the Hell is Hamish? podcasthttps://www.theaustralian.com.au/podcasts/podcast-who-the-hell-is-hamish/news-story/c95b519a9ececa6076df80bd130ba158Madeleine McCann docoseries coming to Netflix, here's the Nine podcast (disclaimer: I haven't listened to more than 20 mins):https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/04/10/43/maddie-podcast-episodes-what-happened-madeleine-mccannDrown by Junot DiazAmsterdam by Ian McEwanPamela Adlon on NPR’s ‘Fresh Air’ podcastLouis CK on Marc Maron’s ‘WTF’ podcastYou can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'

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We’re reuninted and boy does it feel good! Grace tells an unnecessarily long anecdote about her flight back to Australia and Isabelle brags about her upcoming trip to Botswanna – we break down Meghan Markle’s strangely #sponcon New York baby shower, and catch up on the latest Jordyn Woods drama, including her highly anticipated tell all interview. But most importantly, we’re talking OSCARS – dresses we loved, dresses we hated, that Bradley Cooper/Lady Gaga performance and Rami and Lucy’s adorable PDA. On a more serious note, we deep dive on the Green Book controversy – warranted criticism or much ado about nothing?References:Beautiful Boy (2018) directed by Felix Van GroeningenIf Beale Street Could Talk (2018) directed by Barry JenkinsNPR’s Fresh Air podcast with dream hamptonhttps://www.npr.org/2019/02/20/695083431/surviving-r-kelly-producer-dream-hampton-takes-on-ecosystem-that-s-supported-him Vanity Fair’s In The Limelight podcast ‘Up Up Away’https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/02/meghan-markle-baby-shower Vanity Fair’s ‘The Truth About Green Book’https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/truth-about-green-book-viggo-mortensen-mahershala-aliThe New York Times’ The Daily podcast: “What Hollywood Keeps Getting Wrong About Race”https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/podcasts/the-daily/oscars-green-book-interracial-friendship.html

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In our first international episode, Grace gives us all the London Fashion Week goss, while Izzy fills her in on everything that’s been happening in the real world, AKA with the Kardashians, since she’s been gone. From reports that Tristan Thompson cheated on Khloe Kardashian with Kylie Jenner's best friend, Jordyn Woods, to rumours Kim Kardashian is secretly helping brands rip off her designer clothing, it’s all go in Calabasas RN. Plus, our fave book of the year is being turned into a movie (love you, Reese Witherspoon) and our first (very brief) podcast guest.You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @AfterWorkDrinksPodcast, or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Please remember if you like After Work Drinks to rate, review, subscribe and share

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Grace is back from Tasmania and wasn't - as far as we know - possessed by a ghost and/or demon. Isabelle gives a thorough debrief of 'Abducted in Plain Sight' - the most batshit insane true documentary in the history of true crime documentaries; we talk about *that* Hailey Bieber/Justin Bieber profile and have a moment of silence for poor, poor Meghan Markle in the wake of Thomas' latest exploit. Plus, a deep-dive on Liam Neeson - does his insane admission about wanting to commit a racist attack 40 years ago (probably should have kept that one to yourself) fundamentally make him 'racist'? Or is sparking uncomfortable conversations about internalised racism and bias?You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Reading list:Thing of Beauty, The Tragedy of Supermodel Gia by Stephen FriedThe New York Times' The Daily - 'Democrats Wanted Zero Tolerance for Misconduct. Then Came Virginia' Sex Education (2019) on NetflixAbducted in Plain Sight (2019) on Netflix'Becoming' by Michelle Obama'Who The Hell is Hamish?' podcast by The Australian'Justin and Hailey Bieber Open Up About Their Passionate, Not-Always-Easy but Absolutely All-In Romance' by Rob Haskell for Vogue Meghan Markle's Best Friends Break Their Silence: "We Want to Speak the Truth' by People'Revealed: The handwritten letter showing true tragedy of Meghan's rift with father she says has 'broken her heart into a million pieces' - and why he feels forced to make the 'devastating' missive public' by The Daily Mail'Liam Neeson interview: Rape, race and how I learnt revenge doesn't work' by Clemence Michallon for The Independent

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In less than 5 days we broke our true crime ban for an incredibly binge-able, but harrowing new podcast series. Izzy has fallen in love with her first book of 2019 - plus, we break down the internet's intense Bradley Cooper/Lady Gaga shipping. Yes, it's fun to indulge in tabloid fodder - but is all this obsessing over two (married) people's faux relationship kinda... wrong? Plus, why we need to stop dissing influencers (because according to data we all secretly want to be one). And, speaking of influencers, introducing two new ones: we’ve started an Instagram! Follow us please, @afterworkdrinkspodcast You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @afterworkdrinkspodcast or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Please remember if you like After Work Drinks to rate, review, subscribe and share

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Something's in the water because we've both developed a love for the great outdoors: Grace went rock climbing (and then Angelina Jolie copied her) and Isabelle literally went CAMPING. In other news, Prince George has gone missing and been replaced by a boy named Archie. Why the concept of 'pet faves' will help remedy a bad day and we discuss vanity in the Instagram era - are selfies making us (even more) self-obsessed? Plus, off the back of this newfound Ted Bundy mania (he’s actually not that hot, okay?), we deep dive on true crime - has our obsession officially gone too far?You can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Links/recommendations:Love Stories with Dolly Alderton and Stanley Tuccihttps://soundcloud.com/user-892136004/love-stories-with-stanley-tucciHomecoming https://www.gimletmedia.com/homecoming‘Lullaby’ by Leila Slimanihttps://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/fiction/Lullaby-Leila-Slimani-9780571337545‘Ordinary Things That Bring Me Extraordinary Joy’ by T.Wise for Man Repellerhttps://www.manrepeller.com/2019/01/pet-faves-are-better-than-pet-peeves.html‘What is Prince George Hiding?’ by Kelly Conaboy for The Cuthttps://www.thecut.com/2019/01/prince-george-cambridge-name-archie-report.html‘The State of “Vanity” in the Selfie Era’ by Emma Bracy for Man Repellerhttps://www.manrepeller.com/2019/01/what-is-vanity-in-the-era-of-selfies.html‘Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes’ https://www.netflix.com/title/80226612‘How a True-Crime Podcast Became a Mental-Health Support Group’ by Andrea Marks for The Atlantichttps://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/02/the-true-crime-podcast-turned-mental-health-support-group/517200/

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Your long weekend is SORTED courtesy of our copious amount of reading/podcast/TV show recommendations. Grace makes a surprise cameo in the Fyre festival and Isabelle finds a podcast that has actually turned her $$ situation around. Another shocking murder has women in Australia angry - but the 'fuck all men' rhetoric isn't going to get us anywhere. Plus, we do a deep dive on the perennial millennial motherhood question: With 2 in 3 millennial women having fertility fears, how do we negotiate motherhood in an era where our biology hasn't caught up with society?Links/recommendations:Where Should We Begin with Esther Perel https://www.estherperel.com/podcastAnthony Bourdain WTF with Marc Maronhttp://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/repost-anthony-bourdain-from-2011The Clinton Affair https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8972296/Interiors accounts (surely someone cares?) RUDE@decorehardcore@studioashby@amyastley@matildagoadThe Favourite https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5083738/?ref_=nv_sr_1Green Bookhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt6966692/?ref_=nv_sr_1The Pineapple Projecthttps://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/the-pineapple-project/‘Fyre’ (Netflix’s documentary on the Fyre Festival) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9412098/?ref_=nv_sr_1‘Dirty John’https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7945720/?ref_=nv_sr_1‘Men of Australia, it's time to pick your side’ by Clementine Ford for Sydney Morning Heraldhttps://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/men-of-australia-it-s-time-to-pick-your-side‘#MeToo movement: what so many men are missing’ by David Roberts for Voxhttps://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/17826168/me-too-louis-ck-men-comeback‘The #MeToo Moment: I’m a Straight Man. Now What?’ by Daniel Victor for the New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/the-metoo-moment-im-a-straight-man-now-what.htmlThe millennial motherhood trap by Stephanie Boland for Prospect Magazinehttps://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-motherhood-trapYou can email us on [email protected], follow us on Instagram at @isabelletruman and @grceoneill or join our private Facebook group, 'After Work Drinks Podcast.'Please remember if you like After Work Drinks to rate, review, subscribe and share

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James Hottie Middleton has made his secret Instagram account private - but we're mainly interested in who he's following (and potentially thirsting over). We've heard rumours about R. Kelly for decades, so why has it taken us so long to take them seriously? Plus, Botox and Filler Nation - Australia is now the country with the most cosmetic surgery operations per capita IN THE WORLD. When did we all decide that plastic surgery was the norm, and why are there so few meaningful conversations about it?Reading material:The Guardian: 'Why Has Holiday Reading Become a Competitive Sport'?https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/12/why-has-holiday-reading-become-a-competitive-sportFilm: Cold War (2018) by Paweł PawlikowskiVanity Fair's 'In The Limelight' podcast 'A Royal Holiday'https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/in-the-limelight/id1177555203?mt=2Buzzfeed: 'Inside the Pied Piper of R&B's Cult' https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimderogatis/parents-told-police-r-kelly-is-keeping-women-in-a-cultLifetime's 'Surviving R. Kelly' (2019)The New Yorker: 'R. Kelly and The Complexities of Race in the Me Too Era' https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/r-kelly-and-the-complexities-of-race-in-the-metoo-eraThe Guardian: ‘Is America developing a ‘crack-like’ addiction to Botox beauty?https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jan/08/botox-nation-america-addiction-crack-like-cosmetic-proceduresThe Atlantic: ‘No More Stigma Against Plastic Surgery, Please’https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/07/no-more-stigma-against-plastic-surgery-please/277427/The Cut: ‘Plastic Surgery: What Happens Before And After’https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/plastic-cosmetic-surgery-lauren-greenfield-before-and-after.htmlMan Repeller: ‘I’m 28 Years Old And I Think I Want Botox’https://www.manrepeller.com/2017/05/botox-in-your-twenties.htmlRefinery 29: ‘Is Botox Anti-Feminist?’https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/01/187527/botox-feminism-guilt

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