Alex speaks with Alex Nowrasteh about nationalism as more of an innate tendency towards ethnic tribalism than anything resembling patriotism, and how this tendency may never disappear, but is worth resisting nonetheless. 

Episode Notes:

Alex's page at the Cato Insitute:

https://www.cato.org/people/alex-nowrasteh 

Alex on X: 

https://twitter.com/alexnowrasteh?lang=en 

Alex's book "Wretched Refuse?: The Political Economy of Immigration and Institutions": 

https://a.co/d/2JePWpU