David Peck, host of the podcast “Of Saints and Sufis” sits down with Bill Reel to explore the juxtaposition of Religion & Spirituality. They dive into what it means for Bill to describe himself as an atheist and a mystic and they then explore where Religion seems to miss the mark defining the undefinable while offering what Spirituality does in order to point the person to their own inner workings and own mystical experiences  and their own interpretation of those experiences.