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We’ve planned a pair of episodes this week and next to talk about what is a priest and what is a lay person so as to explain what it means to work and worship within a church that practices different orders of ministry.   This week we've invited the Rev. Julia Macy Offinger on to help us explore the priesthood together. 

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Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

More about our guest, theologian Laura Kelley Fanucci:

Website: https://laurakellyfanucci.com

Mothering Spirit: https://motheringspirit.com

Substack: https://laurakellyfanucci.substack.com

@thismessygrace on instagram! 

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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

This episode will release the day before the US presidential election, but we hope it will be a conversation that speaks to you wherever and whenever it finds you.  We are living in stressful times and so Ethan and Laura invited The Rev. Steven D. Paulikas on to share about how Christians locate hope in the midst of political uncertainty.

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https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

This week, Laura and Ethan are joined by Dr. Toni Alimi for a conversation about The Tough Stuff in our scripture and tradition. From Augustine to @ladygaga to materialism to Jacob, we cover a lot of ground, all rooted in the essential question: how do we hold disparate and hard things in tension, especially when it's about our faith?

Toni Alimi lives in Ithaca, NY, with his wife and their daughter. He teaches philosophy at Cornell University.

Toni's latest book can be found here: Slaves of God: Augustine and Other Romans on Religion and Politics

The word of God is living and active, but what does this mean?  How do we read scripture after it has been used as a tool for harm?   Join us for this conversation where Laura and Ethan share some of the things they love about the Bible and some approaches to reading it devotionally in our lives.

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More about Father Lizzie:

PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/ (if you like this episode in particular? You're really, really going to love this book!)

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

What is grief and how might our faith speak to our experiences of loss?  We are joined by sad boy Rev. Gregory Stark and guest co-host Rev. Ethan Lowery to talk about life, death, poetry, Eucharist, hamburgers, and grief.  

The Rev. Gregory Stark is a current PhD student in theology at the University of Cambridge, where he is researching the theology of grief and mourning in the art and activism around HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. He serves as the assistant chaplain at Emmanuel College, Cambridge. He previously was coordinator for ministry with children and youth in the Convocation of Episcopal Churches in Europe while he completed his research masters in theology at KU Leuven in Belgium. 

Substack: https://gregorystark.substack.com
 

“Otherwise” by Jane Kenyon - https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/otherwise/

“Snowdrops” by Louise Glück - https://hellopoetry.com/poem/20568/snowdrops/

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PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/ (if you like this episode in particular? You're really, really going to love this book!)

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

We talk all the time about prayer but ... what exactly is it? What "counts" as prayer? Is prayer a merely intellectual exercise, or conversation, or monologue to God? Or is it embodied? Do we have to "feel" something in prayer? These are the questions we tackle with friends and experts, The Rev. Angela Tyler-Williams and The Rev. Adelyn Tyler-Williams on today's pod! 

Connect with our guests:

Rev. Angela - @revangelatw on IG, and  @SACReD_Repro on IG 

Upcoming events with the Spiritual Alliance of Communities for Reproductive Dignity and Rev. Angela: 

• Woven Together series Tuesdays 7-8:30pm ET Fall 2024; A series on religion, Reproductive Justice, and white Christian nationalism
• Specific topics covered: White Christian Nationalism, Bible and sexuality/reproduction, How to bust abortion stigma as a faith leader
• Register and learn more at sacreddignity.org

Rev. Adelyn - @rev.adelyn on IG and St. Columba's Episcopal Church - columba.org - @stcolumbas.dc on IG

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More about Father Lizzie:

PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/ (if you like this episode in particular? You're really, really going to love this book!)

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

When we stand in the rubble of our faith, how do we know what we can rebuild on? When we're ready to lay down our lament and anger at all we were disillusioned by (or maybe even when we're not) how do we take the next step? Let's get into what it means to reconstruct after deconstructing. 

Rev. Lizzie referenced this article: "Postcolonial Preaching in Intercultural Contexts" by Kwok Pui-lan for Episcopal Divinity School and Lessons in Belonging from a Church-Going Commitment Phobe by Erin Lane. 

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More about Father Lizzie:

PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/ (if you like this episode in particular? You're really, really going to love this book!)

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).

New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

Under nearly every video, photo, or post we make on the internet as two women clergy, there is at least one comment that says: "Paul has entered the chat." It's meant as a snarky condemnation of our work as women leaders in Christian faith, implying - as many believe - that St. Paul thought GOD thought women should never lead. Or speak. Or do anything interesting in church except maybe ...give money? 

Well, spoiler alert, as two women with six degrees and nine years of ordained ministry between us: we HAVE read the New Testament (a lot) and we are well aware what Paul says about women in ministry. And it's definitely not what the trolls seem to think. 

So we're here to bust open the myth and the cherry-picking of Scripture that wants to keep St. Paul and women clergy small and silent. Join us as we dive into 1 Timothy 2:11–15 and its contrast in Deacon Phoebe, whom we meet in Romans 16, and so many more texts that explore how much Paul actually worked with and empowered women clergy, and walk with us as we unravel some of the clobber texts that have been used to attempt to silence us. Because we've entered the chat, too. 

Articles we referenced/recommend for further reading:

Deacons and Diakonia in Early Christianity: https://discerningdeacons.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/What_did_Phoebe_s_position_and_ministry.pdf

Highly recommend following and reading the scholarship of Marg Mowczko here: https://margmowczko.com

... And some articles on 1 Timothy that get to bits we couldn't address in this episode due to time: 

On the Ephesus situation in 1 Timothy: https://margmowczko.com/1-timothy-212-unique-bible-verse/

On "being saved by childbearing:" https://margmowczko.com/saved-through-childbearing-1-timothy-215-meaning/

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PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/ (if you like this episode in particular? You're really, really going to love this book!)

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).

New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

“Mom, does God love boys more than girls?” was the question Mariko's daughter asked her that led her on the path that produced The Book of Belonging, a storytelling Bible to help the next generation of kids understand the rich diversity of God’s people, emphasizing identity, contemplation, and wonder.

How do we approach the complexity of Scripture in a way that tells the truth of God to our children, and to ourselves? How can we emphasize stories that tell the breadth and depth of God's love for all people? We called in two experts - Rachel Eleanor and Mariko Clark - who are fresh off the printing press with their new book, a storytelling Bible called The Book of Belonging, to talk to us about these big questions and give us a behind-the-scenes peak of their creative process! 

The Book of Belonging: https://www.thebookofbelonging.com

Mariko Clark: https://www.instagram.com/marikoclark/?hl=en

Rachel Eleanor: https://www.rachel-eleanor.com

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https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

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"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).

New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST! 

Maybe "Biblical Womanhood" is the friends we made along the way.

Lizzie and Laura dive into Proverbs 31 in this week's episode.  Some Christians have interpreted this passage to be a literal picture of womanhood in a way that has been limiting and restrictive for women.   A close reading of this passage reveals that it offers a picture of how EVERYONE should strive to live as followers of Christ, not just women.  Join us for this lively discussion on this week's episode of And Also With You.

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More about Father Lizzie:

PRE-ORDER HER BOOK: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/762683/god-didnt-make-us-to-hate-us-by-rev-lizzie-mcmanus-dail/ (if you like this episode in particular? You're really, really going to love this book!)

https://www.instagram.com/rev.lizzie/

https://www.tiktok.com/@rev.lizzie

Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, TX - JubileeATX.org 

More about Mother Laura:

https://www.instagram.com/laura.peaches/

https://www.tiktok.com/@mother_peaches

St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Pittsburgh, PA

Theme music:

"On Our Own Again" by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue).

New episodes drop Mondays at 7am EST/6am CST!