Kat is joined by poet and cultural critic Alice Gribbin for a discussion about art, empathy, Succession, and Shakespeare. An extended cut of this interview is available on Patreon.

Links:

Alice's empathy essay: https://alicegribbin.substack.com/p/the-empathy-racket

The bad essay about political literature: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/opinion/fiction-poetry-trump.html

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