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Can you ever truly let go of control?

This week on Secondhand Therapy, Louie shares what surprised him most after trying camping for the first time in decades. Away from mirrors, screens, and the constant pace of everyday life, he discovers an unexpected sense of stillness that sparks a much deeper conversation.

From there, Michael opens up about a major breakthrough in therapy around control, anxiety, perfectionism, and the exhausting need to predict every possible outcome. Together, they explore how hypervigilance, codependency, people-pleasing, and childhood survival strategies can turn everyday decisions into overwhelming mental battles—and what it takes to begin letting go.

They also discuss Internal Family Systems (IFS), parts work, body image, self-consciousness, nervous system regulation, mindfulness, and why learning to tolerate uncertainty may be one of the hardest—and most healing—skills we can develop.

If you've ever struggled with overthinking, anxiety, perfectionism, control issues, or feeling like your brain never stops planning for the worst, this episode is for you.

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Topics: anxiety, control, overthinking, perfectionism, Internal Family Systems (IFS), parts work, codependency, people pleasing, nervous system healing, emotional healing, self-worth, mindfulness, camping, therapy, mental health podcast.