Have you ever wondered if our very instincts—those survival mechanisms that got us here—might actually be our biggest threat? Today, we’re diving into this fascinating paradox with Kristian Rönn, a brilliant mind who’s not only the CEO and co-founder of Normative, the world's first carbon accounting engine, but also a thought leader whose work spans climate policy, philosophy, and artificial intelligence.

Before founding Normative, Kristian worked at the University of Oxford's Future of Humanity Institute, researching global catastrophic risks. His new book, The Darwinian Trap, examines how our evolutionary wiring, these so-called ‘Darwinian demons,’ drive behaviors that could undermine humanity’s future.

In this episode, we’re exploring everything from the hidden forces shaping our decisions to the existential risks of technology and our fundamental need for global cooperation. Kristian brings a fresh and urgent perspective to the conversation on climate change and societal challenges, and he’s got some revolutionary ideas on what it will take to truly evolve beyond our short-term impulses.

By the end of this episode, you’ll not only understand these deeply ingrained patterns but hopefully feel inspired to start recognizing them in your own life—and maybe even consider how we, collectively, can work toward a more sustainable future.

Episode highlights:

00:25 Meet Kristian Rönn: CEO and Thought Leader

02:40 Understanding the Darwinian Trap

03:44 Examples of the Darwinian Trap in Action

07:38 Can We Override Our Evolutionary Instincts?

08:42 Hope from Nature's Solutions

13:14 Global Cooperation and Governance

18:09 Reforming Global Policies and Incentives

38:49 The Role of Technology in Global Empathy

42:41 Ethical Guidelines for Technological Innovation

49:12 Normative's Role in Carbon Emissions Accounting

52:18 Conclusion and Contact Information

Resources mentioned:

Normative.IO

The Darwinian Trap by Kristian Ronn

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