Relationships aren’t supposed to be perfect—they’re supposed to be real. In this episode of Live On Purpose Radio, Dr. Paul sits down with Judy Herman, licensed therapist and author of Beyond Messy Relationships, to talk about why conflict and imperfection are not signs of failure, but invitations to deeper connection. Judy shares how traditional approaches to counseling sometimes over-pathologize couples, leaving them feeling more broken than healed, and offers a fresh perspective that normalizes the “messy” side of love. Together, they explore how authenticity, self-awareness, and healthy communication can transform even the toughest seasons of partnership. Whether you’re navigating a rough patch or simply want to strengthen your most important connections, this conversation will help you see your relationships with new eyes—full of possibility and hope.