After Jesse tells Katie a harrowing story about his recent journey into the heart of 'Manhattan,' the hosts discuss Glenn Greenwald's departure from The Intercept, an outlet he helped found back in 2014. Was this a case of censorship, as Greenwald argues, or did he overreact to standard editorial input? Then they turn their attention to Section 230, a law that made the internet what it is today (for better and for worse), and which seems to be attracting bipartisan ire of late, especially among people who don't really understand technology.

Show notes/Links:

Greenwald's posts on this controversy:

My Resignation From The Intercept - https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept

Article on Joe and Hunter Biden Censored By The Intercept - https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored

Emails With Intercept Editors Showing Censorship of My Joe Biden Article - https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing

The Intercept: Glenn Greenwald Resigns From The Intercept (pushing back on some of GG's claims) - https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept/

Reason's coverage of Section 230: https://reason.com/tag/section-230/

Slate: Revising the Law That Lets Platforms Moderate Content Will Silence Marginalized Voices - https://slate.com/technology/2020/10/section-230-marignalized-groups-speech.html

After Jesse tells Katie a harrowing story about his recent journey into the heart of 'Manhattan,' the hosts discuss Glenn Greenwald's departure from The Intercept, an outlet he helped found back in 2014. Was this a case of censorship, as Greenwald argues, or did he overreact to standard editorial input? Then they turn their attention to Section 230, a law that made the internet what it is today (for better and for worse), and which seems to be attracting bipartisan ire of late, especially among people who don't really understand technology.

Greenwald's posts on this controversy:

My Resignation From The Intercept - https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept

Article on Joe and Hunter Biden Censored By The Intercept - https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored

Emails With Intercept Editors Showing Censorship of My Joe Biden Article - https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing

The Intercept: Glenn Greenwald Resigns From The Intercept (pushing back on some of GG's claims) - https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept/

Reason's coverage of Section 230: https://reason.com/tag/section-230/

Slate: Revising the Law That Lets Platforms Moderate Content Will Silence Marginalized Voices - https://slate.com/technology/2020/10/section-230-marignalized-groups-speech.html

Lotta dicks this week. After addressing some reader reactions to their The 1619 Project segment last week, Katie and Jesse critique the idea of "involuntary conservatives" so enraged by wokeness that they have to vote for Donald Trump. Then the hosts turn their attention to a salacious media story involving a certain New Yorker staff writer and, well, there's no more polite way to put this, but, um, his penis.

James Lindsay: "Frankly going to unhappily vote Republican, including Trump, until the left walks this shit all the way back." - https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1318412252903604226

Eric Weinstein: "InCons are a force this year. Involuntary conservatives are real. As I’ve told you: the failure to condemn @MayorJenny & @tedwheeler, acknowledge ANTIFA, admit to media bias or to level about cognitive issues etc. in a near octogenarian has created the Never-Trump Trump voter."

Dave Rubin: "Tyranny is here. Vote every Democrat out of office at every level everywhere. That is the only way to get things to start turning around. Or live like sheep going to slaughter, your call." - https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1318743358911574017

Vice: New Yorker Suspends Jeffrey Toobin for Masturbating on Zoom Call - https://www.vice.com/en/article/epdgm4/new-yorker-suspends-jeffrey-toobin-for-zoom-dick-incident

The Stranger: Seattle Times Reporter Mike Rosenberg Suspended over Twitter Messages - https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/05/06/40121238/seattle-times-reporter-mike-rosenberg-suspended-over-twitter-messages

Lotta dicks this week. After addressing some reader reactions to their The 1619 Project segment last week, Katie and Jesse critique the idea of "involuntary conservatives" so enraged by wokeness that they have to vote for Donald Trump. Then the hosts turn their attention to a salacious media story involving a certain New Yorker staff writer and, well, there's no more polite way to put this, but, um, his penis.

James Lindsay: "Frankly going to unhappily vote Republican, including Trump, until the left walks this s**t all the way back." - https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1318412252903604226

Eric Weinstein: "InCons are a force this year.  Involuntary conservatives are real. As I’ve told you: the failure to condemn @MayorJenny & @tedwheeler, acknowledge ANTIFA, admit to media bias or to level about cognitive issues etc. in a near octogenarian has created the Never-Trump Trump voter."
https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1318590052511854594

Dave Rubin: "Tyranny is here. Vote every Democrat out of office at every level everywhere. That is the only way to get things to start turning around.  Or live like sheep going to slaughter, your call." - https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1318743358911574017

Vice: New Yorker Suspends Jeffrey Toobin for Masturbating on Zoom Call - https://www.vice.com/en/article/epdgm4/new-yorker-suspends-jeffrey-toobin-for-zoom-dick-incident

The Stranger: Seattle Times Reporter Mike Rosenberg Suspended over Twitter Messages - https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/05/06/40121238/seattle-times-reporter-mike-rosenberg-suspended-over-twitter-messages

Well? Is he? Katie and Jesse discuss The Bone Man's recent, controversial tweet, revisit his glorious recent internet-history, talk about their own experiences with left- versus-right-wing haters and obsessives, and -- God help us all -- revisit certain aspects of GamerGate.

Ken Bone: "All morning the Trump supporters have been nice to me even though I don't like Trump. The Biden camp has been shitting all over me because I don't like Biden. Do these people really not see how much this behavior pushes bystanders toward the right?" - https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/1313858537991401475 

INSIDE JOKE CLUE: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/inside-the-near-meltdown-of-the-feminist-tour-in-australia.html 

NY Mag: Gamergate May Have Just Won Its Most Disgraceful Scalp Yet (Updated) - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/03/this-looks-like-a-disgraceful-gamergate-win.html

Jesse "behaves like a predator" because he tried to get comment for a story: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/724818516189261824/photo/1

Katie and Jesse discuss the recent and not-so-recent controversy over The 1619 project, the reputational perils of getting in constant fights with idiots on Twitter, and the tangled story of Hunter Biden, a blind guy at a laptop-repair shop, and a controversial New York Post story. Along the way, Jesse engages in some shockingly casual anti-Ukrainianism.

The New York Times: The 1619 Project - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

The New York Times: The 1619 Chronicles - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/opinion/nyt-1619-project-criticisms.html

The Washington Post: How the 1619 Project took over 2020 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/1619-project-took-over-2020-inside-story/2020/10/13/af537092-00df-11eb-897d-3a6201d6643f_story.html

The World Socialist Web Site's coverage of the controversy: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awsws.org+%221619+project%22&oq=site%3Awsws.org+%221619+project%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.5606j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The New York Times: On Recent Criticism of The 1619 Project- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/magazine/criticism-1619-project.html (note: this one went up after we recorded the episode)

New York Post: Smoking-gun email reveals how Hunter Biden introduced Ukrainian businessman to VP dad - https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

PolitiFact: A look behind the NY Post headline about Joe Biden and a Ukraine meeting - https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/15/look-behind-ny-post-headline-about-joe-biden-and-u/

Katie and Jesse discuss the recent and not-so-recent controversy over The 1619 project, the reputational perils of getting in constant fights with idiots on Twitter, and the tangled story of Hunter Biden, a blind guy at a laptop-repair shop, and a controversial New York Post story. Along the way, Jesse engages in some shockingly casual anti-Ukrainianism.

The New York Times: The 1619 Project - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

The New York Times: The 1619 Chronicles - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/opinion/nyt-1619-project-criticisms.html

The Washington Post: How the 1619 Project took over 2020 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/1619-project-took-over-2020-inside-story/2020/10/13/af537092-00df-11eb-897d-3a6201d6643f_story.html

The World Socialist Web Site's coverage of the controversy: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awsws.org+%221619+project%22&oq=site%3Awsws.org+%221619+project%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.5606j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The New York Times: On Recent Criticism of The 1619 Project- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/magazine/criticism-1619-project.html (note: this one went up after we recorded the episode)

New York Post: Smoking-gun email reveals how Hunter Biden introduced Ukrainian businessman to VP dad - https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

PolitiFact: A look behind the NY Post headline about Joe Biden and a Ukraine meeting - https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/15/look-behind-ny-post-headline-about-joe-biden-and-u/

The hosts discuss the Katie Hill revenge-porn/throuple scandal, which has gotten yet more scandalous in light of a tweetstorm supposedly authored by her former staffers (who are not fans), as well as Facebook's decision to ban QAnon from that platform and Instagram.

The tweetstorm: https://twitter.com/RepKatieHill/status/1313703826646466562

Politico: Anonymous ‘former staff’ of Katie Hill slam film adaptation of ex-congresswoman’s book - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/anonymous-former-katie-hill-staff-film-adaptation-427038

The New York Times: Facebook Amps Up Its Crackdown on QAnon - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/technology/facebook-qanon-crackdown.html

The New York Times: QAnon Believers Say Being Banned From Facebook Is Proof of the Conspiracy - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/07/technology/qanon-believers-say-being-banned-from-facebook-is-proof-of-the-conspiracy.html

Reply All: County of Liars - https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/llhe5nm

[Update, 12:10 a.m.: For some reason the version I initially uploaded cut off before the actual ending. Apologies, but everything is fixed now. -J] 

The hosts discuss the Katie Hill revenge-porn/throuple scandal, which has gotten yet more scandalous in light of a tweetstorm supposedly authored by her former staffers (who are not fans), as well as Facebook's decision to ban QAnon from that platform and Instagram.

The tweetstorm: https://twitter.com/RepKatieHill/status/1313703826646466562

Politico: Anonymous ‘former staff’ of Katie Hill slam film adaptation of ex-congresswoman’s book - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/anonymous-former-katie-hill-staff-film-adaptation-427038

The New York Times: Facebook Amps Up Its Crackdown on QAnon - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/technology/facebook-qanon-crackdown.html

The New York Times: QAnon Believers Say Being Banned From Facebook Is Proof of the Conspiracy - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/07/technology/qanon-believers-say-being-banned-from-facebook-is-proof-of-the-conspiracy.html

Reply All: County of Liars - https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/llhe5nm

After a brief and sober discussion about President Trump's coronavirus diagnosis, the hosts devote most of the episode to two stories: a controversy surrounding a partially anonymous Arc Digital review of Kate Manne's new book Entitled that has led to accusations of obsession and WAR, and the blowup that ensued -- complete with a gleeful threat of mass executions in the streets! -- after the head of Coinbase took the radical stance that his company's purpose is to make money, not do progressive politics. Also: Katie sticks up for Jesse on Twitter without Jesse's awareness, New York Times staffers fail to revolt after a column that could Literally Endanger Lives is published, Jesse tries to get into the impressions game and almost commits a war crime in the process, and more.

Show notes/Links:

Arc Digital: Mannesplaining - https://arcdigital.media/mannesplaining-87d1cbf3f7ab

Some of the relevant tweets:

Jill Filipovic on the anonymity - https://twitter.com/JillFilipovic/status/1311024884030545920

Arc responds - https://twitter.com/ArcDigi/status/1311028393819992067

Arc on the blocking - https://twitter.com/ArcDigi/status/1310778616876339202

Jason Stanley on the 'war' - https://twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1311290213537284098

Arc, um, responds again - https://twitter.com/ArcDigi/status/1311292361083883520

Stanley on the 'obsession' - https://twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1311297702173585409

Arc Digital: Don’t Publish Personal Attacks Based on Misinformation - https://arcdigital.media/dont-publish-personal-attacks-based-on-misinformation-54cd66f7278c

Coinbase is a mission focused company: https://blog.coinbase.com/coinbase-is-a-mission-focused-company-af882df8804

Forbes: Some Business Leaders Should Face A Firing Squad, Former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo Suggests In Angry Tweet - https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2020/10/01/some-business-leader-should-face-a-firing-squad-former-twitter-ceo-dick-costolo-suggests-in-angry-tweet/#247301c97b94

Coindesk: Relief and Regret: Crypto Twitter Reacts as Coinbase Says ‘No’ to Corporate Activism - https://www.coindesk.com/crypto-twitter-coinbase-corporate-activism