In this bonus episode, I'm talking with Courtland Allen, the founder of Indie Hackers. As I’ve shared a couple times over the last few months, my accelerator and community Unreal Collective was acquired by Smart Passive Income in January of this year.

I wrote an article about the acquisition, and it got quite a bit of attention. One of the places it got shared was on Indie Hackers, a massive online community of nearly 30,000 people trying to build profitable side projects.

It was originally shared by Rosie Sherry, the then-community manager for Indie Hackers. And the founder of Indie Hackers, Courtland Allen, left a really thoughtful comment on the piece too.

Indie Hackers itself was once acquired by Stripe, and now Courtland works for Stripe while building the community full time. So we had a lot of common ground.

In this episode, Cortland and I talk about the acquisition, earning a living as a creator, why I don’t really like Clubhouse, and how to build a community online.

Courtland is an incredibly smart creator himself, and I’m excited to interview HIM on Creative Elements here soon.

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