In this episode, Katie talks with Judy van Zon and Katherine Starks about the ORSC™ certification program. Judy is currently Director of Certification at CRR Global, and Kathie is a recent alumnus of the program. The ORSC Certification program is a unique and comprehensive eight-month program with extensive practice and online study designed to produce the best ORSC practitioners in the world! Throughout this conversation, we discuss what makes the program so unique, the intentions and outcomes of the course, edge crossing, the practicalities of the course, the impact of world work, and much more.

For more information on the ORSC Certification Program, please click here.

Judy van Zon helps her clients better connect to their own inner wisdom and power. In her team coaching, Judy believes that working with the ORSC model is a very powerful way to build bridges in relationships. It goes far beyond familiar skills like empathy and active listening. It offers a whole new way of looking at people and how we live and work together. Her focus is on working with corporate leaders and teams. Training others in this allows her to spread this energy throughout the world. She also applies her skills to roles like facilitating and mentoring. For the last 25 years, she has lived and worked in six countries on three continents, the last 3.5 years in India and the region around. She is now back in the Netherlands and is CRR Global's current Director of Certification. Judy speaks Dutch, English, German, Spanish, and French. With a master’s in business administration, her professional career started in the commercial operations of an international consumer goods company. 

Katherine Starks has spent most of her career in financial services, the last 15 years in senior leadership positions. This experience laid the groundwork for a natural progression to the next stage: coaching and mentoring other professionals so that they too can find their path and passion in life. Kathie’s coaching journey began during her years in the corporate world, first becoming an ICF Certified Co-Active Coach and later embarking on her ORSC journey just as she pursued her final and most challenging role as CEO and Branch Manager of the Bank of New York Mellon in Frankfurt. At the beginning of 2022, Kathie left the corporate world so that she could dedicate all her time and energy into pursuing her dream of coaching successful teams and fulfilled leaders.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.