In this deeply personal episode of the Dad Edge Podcast, I’m joined by my incredible wife, Jessica Hagner, for a raw, real, and honest conversation about what 22 years of marriage has truly looked like behind the scenes. From our awkward beginnings in college to raising four boys and building a life together, this is a rare inside look into the foundation of our relationship—what’s worked, what hasn’t, and how we’ve grown together through every season.

 

We unpack everything from emotional disconnect and healing past wounds to the power of intentional communication, spiritual alignment, and shared leadership at home. Jessica shares her heart and wisdom on how we create emotional safety in our marriage, why friendship is key to our connection, and how we’ve come back from disconnection stronger every time. Whether you’re in year one or year twenty of your relationship, this episode offers powerful insight into the daily work of lasting love.

 

 

TIMELINE SUMMARY

[0:00] - Why this episode with Jessica is one of the most special yet

[1:28] - How we first met—and the infamous “first kiss” moment

[4:12] - Celebrating 22 years: early struggles and breakthrough moments

[8:05] - Navigating emotional disconnection and how we’ve learned to reconnect

[11:55] - Jessica’s approach to giving feedback without criticism

[15:30] - The role of grace and safety in helping me grow as a husband

[18:43] - Getting on the same page spiritually and emotionally

[21:10] - Why we never let distance linger too long in our relationship

[24:02] - The value of therapy, reflection, and personal healing

[28:09] - Parenting four boys with teamwork, honesty, and prayer

[32:18] - How our friendship fuels every other aspect of our marriage

[36:42] - Leading by example as partners, parents, and individuals

[39:55] - Why we believe your past doesn’t define your potential

[42:20] - The power of intentional connection—even when life is messy

 

 

5 KEY TAKEAWAYS

 

1. Lasting Marriages Are Built on Daily Intentions

It’s not grand gestures that sustain a relationship—it’s the daily choice to show up, stay connected, and grow together, even when things feel hard or messy.

2. Grace Is the Bridge Between Conflict and Connection

Jessica’s ability to approach tough conversations with empathy and grace allowed us to repair emotional rifts without blame or shame. That kind of safe space creates real transformation.

3. Emotional Safety Is a Foundation for Growth

We can’t become better spouses or parents unless we feel secure to be vulnerable. Emotional safety means knowing you can be honest without fear of judgment or rejection.

4. Friendship Fuels Long-Term Love

Romantic sparks matter—but friendship sustains. Laughing, enjoying time together, and being each other’s best friend is what carries the relationship through every season.

5. Spiritual Alignment Strengthens the Bond

When we committed to growing together spiritually, we experienced deeper intimacy and peace. Shared faith, prayer, and purpose have anchored us through life’s storms.

 

 

LINKS & RESOURCES

• Download the 25 Questions to Spark Connection With Your Partner: https://www.thedadedge.com/25questions

• Dad Edge Podcast Website: https://www.thedadedge.com

• Join The Alliance: https://www.thedadedge.com/alliance

• Listen to More Episodes: https://www.thedadedge.com/podcast

• Tools & Resources: https://www.thedadedge.com/tools

• Recommended Episode: How to Lead Your Marriage with Intention

 

 

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