The Dad Edge Podcast

The Dad Edge Podcast

By Larry Hagner

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  1. Number 1: Why Rusty Relationships Keep 78% of Men Stuck featuring Marc Hildebrand

    For the second time, Marc Hildebrand flips the format and puts Larry in the interview seat, this time to unpack the five things men consistently say changed everything after joining the Dad Edge Business Boardroom Brotherhood: clarity, challenge, strategy, accountability, and brotherhood. Using real, anonymized member stories, Larry walks through how the group helps a business owner named Taylor rebuild connection with his wife using the four pillars of marriage and three levels of listening, why "rusty relationships" built on enabling friends keep 78% of men stuck, and why vague goals like "more communication" aren't actually strategies. Larry also shares the origin story of the group's gamified accountability system, born on a cruise ship when he realized he hated holding people accountable the traditional way, and closes with a blunt challenge: most men wait for a crisis before they get help, and by then it's often too late. If you're a business owner who feels like your family gets the leftovers of your time and energy, this conversation is a direct look at what actually changes that. Timeline Summary [1:02] Larry opens on the tension every entrepreneur feels: building an empire without sacrificing family [4:21] Introducing Marc Hildebrand as this week's interviewer, flipping the usual format [6:42] The first pillar: clarity, and the story of onboarding a new member named Taylor [7:45] Introducing the Brave Man system: bond, raise, amplify, vitality, enjoy, movement, action, network [9:47] The comparison trap and the real divorce and disconnection statistics behind most marriages [10:28] The four pillars of an extraordinary marriage: individual, partnership, friendship, and lovers [13:20] Giving Taylor the 50 Intimate Conversation Starters and a simple daily walk-and-talk challenge [15:13] The three levels of listening: to respond, to understand, and to hear the emotion underneath [20:43] Larry announces a rare open preview of the Dad Edge Business Boardroom Brotherhood [22:29] Why the same relational skills that fix a marriage also apply to clients and employees [26:35] The second pillar: challenge, and the difference between friends and objective advisors [27:22] Introducing "rusty relationships" and the 78% statistic from Mansfield's Book of Manly Men [30:08] The story of a member named Tim who left his gym to stop being the smartest guy in the room [33:38] The third pillar: strategy, and why "more" or "better" communication isn't actually a strategy [35:25] The Casey 1.0 and 2.0 example: moving from scarcity and fear to strategic thinking [38:20] The story of a member named Blake, whose time management problem was really about protecting family time [40:03] Larry announces the first-ever Dad Edge Day with the Arizona Cardinals, November 15th [42:49] The fourth pillar: accountability, and the cruise ship story behind gamifying it [45:29] Introducing "the tent," the virtual system where members plan and track weekly missions [47:20] The story of a member named Jayden whose recurring unfinished mission revealed a deeper marriage issue [48:51] The fifth pillar: brotherhood, and why shame dies in safe conversations [54:30] Larry's closing challenge: most men wait for a crisis, and by then it's often too late Five Key Takeaways Real clarity often comes from realizing your problem isn't what you think it is. A man convinced his issue is "not enough communication" usually discovers, through the right questions, that the real issue is which questions he's asking and how he's listening. The four pillars of an extraordinary marriage, individual, partnership, friendship, and lovers, break down when couples get stuck managing logistics (partnership) and skip friendship entirely, which makes physical connection feel confusing or absent. A friend who only agrees with your complaints isn't helping you, he's enabling you. An objective advisor without emotional stake in your friendship will challenge you in ways a lifelong buddy often won't. Vague goals like "more communication" or "better connection" aren't strategies, they're wishes. Real change comes from identifying specific, concrete actions, the same way a health goal requires a specific plan, not just an instruction to "get healthier." Accountability works best when it's gamified rather than shame-based. Publicly tracked weekly goals, done with humor and healthy competition, produce more consistent follow-through than accountability rooted in guilt. Links & Resources The Dad Edge Business Boardroom Brotherhood Preview: https://thedadedge.com/guest Roommates to Soulmates: http://thedadedge.com/soulmates The Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood by Larry Hagner: https://thedadedge.com The Dad Edge Podcast: http://thedadedge.com/1531 Mansfield's Book of Manly Men by Stephen Mansfield The Miracle Morning for Couples by Hal Elrod, Lance Salazar, and Brandy Salazar Closing If there's one thing Larry wants every business owner dad to hear from this episode, it's this: don't wait for a crisis. He read an email that same day from a man who waited seven years to address a marriage on the brink of collapse, and now he's scrambling. Clarity, challenge, strategy, accountability, and brotherhood aren't things you need once things fall apart, they're things you build before they do. Go out and live legendary.

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  2. Number 2: Controlling What You Can When Everything Else Falls Apart featuring Khalil Zahar

    I've had a lot of impressive guests on this show, but Khalil Zahar's story genuinely stood out to me. He's the founder and CEO of FightCamp, a company he built from a simple idea, wanting to actually measure his own progress as a boxer, into one of the biggest names in connected fitness, with over $100 million raised and backing from legends like Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, and Georges St-Pierre. He's also not married and doesn't have kids, but the lessons he's built his entire career around, discipline, discomfort, and identity, translate directly to fatherhood and marriage. We started with the pivotal moment in his early 20s, a late night watching Sportscenter, that made him realize he didn't have unlimited time to become who he wanted to be. From there we got into his philosophy around seeking discomfort intentionally, why he believes identity has to come before outcome, and what it actually means to become the person who does the things you want to be known for, rather than chasing the result directly. He shared a personal story about training around a serious injury by controlling everything he could, his nutrition and mindset, when he couldn't control his body, and I shared a nearly identical story from my own torn patella tendon recovery. We closed the conversation on what Khalil calls the mindset of a fighter, discipline, craftsmanship, accepting what you can't control, and learning to be genuinely thankful for your losses instead of resentful of them. If you've ever felt too comfortable, stuck in a rut, or unsure how to push yourself toward the version of you that you know is possible, this conversation gives you a real, practical way to start. Timeline Summary [1:04] Khalil's early 20s awakening: a late night realization that time wasn't unlimited [3:36] His teenage dream of becoming a professional B-Boy and the intimidating scene around it [7:00] The first concrete steps he took once he decided to stop just "trying a little" [9:25] How Khalil's relationship with failure changed once he actually started taking risks [12:20] Larry announces a rare, small-group preview of the Dad Edge Business Boardroom Brotherhood [12:37] Why embracing failure sooner would have changed everything, and Thomas Edison's light bulb story [14:31] Taking the first, smallest possible step instead of trying to see ten miles ahead [16:34] A full introduction to Khalil: FightCamp's founder, backed by Tyson, Mayweather, and Saint-Pierre [18:11] Khalil's controversial philosophy: why seeking discomfort matters more than self-acceptance alone [21:39] Practical advice for a man who feels too comfortable and stuck in a "dad bod" mindset [22:01] The core idea: identity comes first, and outcomes follow from who you decide to become [25:21] Larry announces Roommates to Soulmates cohort three, starting September 16th [27:16] Diving deeper into identity versus tactics, using Khalil's 13 bodybuilding competitions as an example [32:18] Why seeking discomfort is fundamentally about removing fear, not chasing a specific outcome [35:51] Confidence built through keeping your word to yourself, even when you don't feel like it [36:43] What the mindset of a fighter actually looks like, broken into four core principles [38:18] The first principle: discipline as doing what you don't want to do [39:48] The second principle: craftsmanship, applying full care and attention to everything you touch [40:31] The third principle: you can't control your opponent, only how you prepare and react [42:17] The fourth principle: losses and failure are praised in martial arts, not resented [44:10] Larry's own story of controlling what he could control during a torn patella tendon recovery [45:32] Khalil shares a strikingly similar story recovering from a severe hand injury [49:17] Where to find Khalil and FightCamp Five Key Takeaways Time is not unlimited, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you stop just "trying a little" and start actually pursuing the version of yourself you want to become. Identity comes before outcome. Instead of fixating on the result you want, define who that person would be and start living like them today, and the outcome tends to follow naturally. Confidence isn't built by achieving a goal once, it's built by consistently keeping your word to yourself, especially in the small moments when you don't feel like following through. You cannot control your circumstances, your opponent, or the environment around you. The only thing you control is how you prepare for and respond to what happens, and real peace comes from focusing there instead. Losses and failure should be treated as lessons to be thankful for, not outcomes to resent. A fighter's mindset toward getting knocked down and getting back up applies directly to marriage, parenting, and business. Links & Resources FightCamp (Khalil's at-home connected boxing and kickboxing fitness platform) — https://joinfightcamp.com FightCamp on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok — @fightcamp Khalil Zahar on Instagram — @khalilzahar Shownotes for this episode: http://thedadedge.com/1526 Roommates to Soulmates (Larry's 8-week marriage coaching cohort; next cohort starts September 16th, with free preview calls): http://thedadedge.com/soulmates Join the boardroom: http://thedadedge.com/guest Closing What's staying with me from this conversation is Khalil's point that losses are meant to be praised, not resented, because that's exactly the mindset a marriage and a family need too. You're not going to get every season right, and neither is your wife or your kids, but treating a setback as a lesson instead of a verdict on who you are changes everything about how you recover from it. Whatever discomfort you've been avoiding lately, in your body, your business, or your relationships, let this be the nudge to take the smallest next step toward it.

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  3. Number 3: What to Do When Your Teen Is Struggling Mentally

    This week's Wednesday Q&A is a little different, I'm running it solo since my usual co-host Joe couldn't make it, and honestly, it turned into one of the harder, more important conversations we've had. A man in our Alliance named Rich called in with a genuinely difficult situation: his 17-year-old stepdaughter recently went through a breakup, was hospitalized shortly after making statements about wanting to end her life, and Rich is trying to figure out how to support her while also being honest that he's not sure whether what he's seeing is a real crisis or a manipulation tactic she's learned to use. I want to be upfront that I am not a licensed therapist, and neither is anyone else on this call. We have someone in our community who specializes in this exact area, and when a situation is acute, that's who we point men toward. What I can offer is real, lived experience, because one of my own boys went through a genuinely frightening season with depression and anxiety years ago, and I've been in the position of feeling completely out of my depth as a father. If you're a father watching a child struggle right now and feeling like you have no idea what you're doing, or you're not even sure if what you're seeing is a real crisis, this conversation won't give you all the answers, because there often aren't easy ones. But it might help you feel less alone in it. Timeline Summary [1:02] Opening the Wednesday Q&A solo, and introducing today's difficult topic [1:48] Introducing Rich, a leader in the Alliance's teen-parenting group, and his situation [3:13] Rich shares that his 17-year-old bonus daughter has recently expressed suicidal thoughts [4:33] Understanding the timeline: a difficult personal season followed by a breakup two weeks ago [5:43] Larry announces Roommates to Soulmates cohort three, starting September 16th [7:25] Larry's disclaimer: not a licensed therapist, and where the community sends acute cases [8:37] Asking Rich what he'd want to see in his stepdaughter's life a few months from now [9:49] The tension between wanting to support her and wanting to hold her accountable to her own goals [10:47] Assessing her circle of friends and the instability there [12:30] First piece of advice: don't go through this alone, and find a therapist she connects with [13:20] The breakfast and games advice from a mentor, and why simple connection mattered more than conversation [15:27] The medication journey: an initial diagnosis, a worsening condition, and a specialized brain scan clinic [17:07] How a corrected diagnosis and a supplement-based approach turned things around over about a year [17:32] Larry shares his own 2017 hospitalization following extreme physical training and severe insomnia [19:29] Reiterating connection over correction as the throughline of the advice [19:51] Larry announces a rare, small-group preview of the Dad Edge Business Boardroom Brotherhood [24:19] Closing advice: don't go through it alone, connect first, and remember that without connection there is no influence Five Key Takeaways You don't have to be a mental health expert to support a struggling child, but you do have to know when to bring in someone who is. Recognizing the limits of your own expertise and connecting your family with the right specialist is itself an act of good fathering. Connection has to come before correction. A struggling teenager often needs low-pressure time with a parent, free of goal-setting or serious conversation, far more than another conversation about fixing the problem. Finding the right therapist matters as much as finding a therapist at all. A mismatch in chemistry or approach can make a child more resistant to help they genuinely need. A diagnosis can be wrong, and it's worth getting a second opinion when treatment isn't working. A corrected diagnosis and a different treatment approach turned around a genuinely difficult, months-long decline. You are not required to be blood related to be the father figure a child needs most. Consistent presence during a hard season is what a child remembers and trusts long after the season ends. Links & Resources Get the full show notes and every link from this episode: https://thedadedge.com/1525 Ready to stop feeling like roommates and start leading your marriage? Join the next Roommates to Soulmates cohort: https://thedadedge.com/soulmates Know a dad with a story worth sharing, or want to be on the show yourself? Apply to be a guest: https://thedadedge.com/guest Closing If you're a father in the middle of a season like the one Rich is walking through right now, please hear this: you don't have to have it figured out, and you don't have to do it alone. Get connected with people who know more than you do, keep showing up for the small, ordinary moments of connection, and trust that the fruit of your presence will show up even if you can't see it yet. Without connection, we have no influence, so lead with connection first, every time. Go out and live legendary. If you or someone you know is struggling with thoughts of suicide, the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline is available 24/7 by calling or texting 988.

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  4. Number 4: Present Fatherhood That Always Beats Perfect Fatherhood featuring Randy Keith

    Officer Randy Keith is a military veteran, a 15-year law enforcement officer, and the founder of Present Father, a platform that now reaches hundreds of thousands of dads across the world. He didn't set out to build a movement. He built it from the darkest chapter of his life, a high-conflict divorce that put him through false allegations, an order of protection that nearly cost him his career, CPS interviews of his young children, and the terror of dropping his kids off not knowing if he'd get them back. Randy walks Larry through the night it all began, why he chose 50-50 custody when his attorney said he could have won full custody, and the moment in his car around the corner from his ex-wife's house when he pulled out his phone and started talking, the post that became Present Father. This is a raw conversation about father's rights, staying present against enormous odds, and turning your mess into your message. It's also a heavy one, with an honest look at how many men in these situations reach the edge, and why community can be lifesaving. Timeline Summary [1:23] – The night his ex-wife went for the gun safe and he called 911 [4:34] – Declining to press charges because he didn't want to jail the mother of his kids [5:48] – Discharged in hours after telling nurses he was abusing his power as an officer [7:14] – Filing a Title 36 mental health petition and getting emergency custody [9:01] – Choosing 50-50 so he could look his kids in the eye someday [10:15] – His attorney saying he was in the driver's seat and could have full custody [12:13] – Served with an order of protection built on false allegations [13:09] – How a federal firearm statute nearly ended his law enforcement career [14:38] – His kids interviewed by CPS at school without his knowledge [15:40] – The mosquito-bite doctor's note that became a bedbugs and abuse allegation [17:25] – Inviting CPS in, and being asked to teach parenting classes at the end [20:49] – Why she really moved four hours away, and the job that lasted two weeks [23:28] – The threats that continue and the fears he carries as a target [26:35] – Finding purpose in the worst season and turning mess into message [30:10] – Why high-conflict divorce is rare, and why so few men talk about it [33:28] – Introducing Randy Keith and the Present Father platform [36:00] – The moment in the car that birthed Present Father [38:24] – The first TikTok post and the flood of men who felt the same [42:30] – From 800 followers to nearly 900,000 across platforms [44:08] – The suicide messages, and how Randy responds personally [46:08] – Sean Pearson and the Dad to Dad peer support platform [47:22] – The father who thanked him for comforting his son in his final moments [48:06] – Larry on losing two men from the Dad Edge community to suicide [50:30] – The therapist's question that reframed suicide for Larry in 2017 [52:22] – Why the pain is a season, not a life sentence [53:39] – Larry on being glad he didn't listen when people said "this too shall pass," and glad he listened just enough [54:08] – The vision for Present Father: a nonprofit providing attorneys to the falsely accused [54:35] – Advocating in D.C. for equal shared parenting as the standard [56:05] – Bankruptcy as a common cost of fighting for your kids [56:34] – What he learned from his first relationship and carried into his new marriage [57:57] – Why one bad experience doesn't mean everyone will treat you the same [59:55] – Where to connect with Randy and the Present Father Show 5 Key Takeaways Presence Beats Perfection — Your kids don't need a perfect father. They need a present one. Even when circumstances are stacked against you, showing up consistently is what matters most. Your Mess Is Your Message — You don't have to be the polished expert to help people. Randy's raw honesty as an everyday guy going through it reaches people precisely because it's real and relatable, not because he has it all figured out. The Pain Is a Season, Not a Sentence — In the darkest moments it feels like it will never end, but it's temporary. Suicide doesn't end the pain, it transfers it to the people you love most, for generations. Reaching out and finding community can be lifesaving. You're Not Alone in This — High-conflict divorce and false allegations are isolating, and shame keeps men silent. Finding even one other person who's been through it turns unbearable isolation into a community and a path forward. One Bad Experience Isn't the Whole World — Surviving a devastating relationship doesn't mean everyone will treat you the same way. With honest due diligence and self-work, there is happiness and partnership on the other side. Links & Resources Episode page and all links: https://thedadedge.com/1521 Present Father (Randy Keith's website): https://present-father.com The Present Father Show podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2PZwSoq6glUSq20CcHB88R Roommates to Soulmates (cohort 3, starts September 16, free preview calls September 8 and 9): https://thedadedge.com/soulmates Dad Edge Day with the Arizona Cardinals (November 15, Cardinals vs Rams, State Farm Stadium): https://thedadedge.com/nfl If You're Struggling This episode deals openly with suicide. If you or someone you know is struggling, you can call or text 988 in the US to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, available 24/7. You are not alone, and the season you're in is not the end of your story. Enjoyed This Episode? If Randy's story reached you, whether you're in the middle of your own hard season or you know a dad who is, don't let him carry it alone. Send this episode to a father who needs to hear that presence beats perfection and that he's not alone in this. If the show keeps delivering, follow, rate, and leave a review so more fathers can find these conversations.

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  5. Number 5: The Situational Awareness Skills Every Dad Should Teach His Family featuring Sam Rosenberg

    Sam Rosenberg has spent his career protecting some of the most recognized people on the planet, heads of state, CEOs, and celebrities including Warren Buffett, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Tom Cruise. A former Marine Corps officer who moved into close protection in 1996, he's since shifted his focus to teaching ordinary people the same skills he used to guard public figures, through his company Live Ready and his bestselling book of the same name. He's trained tens of thousands of people to recognize threats before they become emergencies. This one is a genuine masterclass in personal safety, and Sam's philosophy anchors it: it's good to have a lifeguard, but you should know how to swim. He and Larry get into why violence is never actually random, how to read a parking lot, the acronym TIME that maps how attackers operate, the normalcy bias that keeps good people from trusting their gut, and persuasion predators, the charming, manipulative threats every dad with a daughter needs to understand. If you want to protect the people who matter most without living in fear, this episode delivers the tools. Timeline Summary [1:02] – Protecting Netanyahu, the chess match, and embedding covert protection in a crowd [4:35] – Tom Cruise in Pittsburgh and why he was one of the best to work with [6:23] – How you even land a gig protecting someone at that level [8:12] – Protecting Terry Bradshaw at the NFL draft, and why it's all word of mouth [12:36] – The core philosophy: it's good to have a lifeguard, but you should know how to swim [14:51] – Sam's full bio, the Marine Corps, Live Ready, and the book [16:34] – Situational awareness starts with our wives in parking lots [20:04] – The myth of helplessness and the myth of randomness [21:44] – Why violence is a process as predictable as boiling water [22:38] – Attacks happen on arrival and departure, and every environment has a purpose [24:10] – Watching for the watchers, and the New York City looking up analogy [26:30] – The creepy guy vibe and why we hunt for evidence to dismiss it [27:42] – Social contracting, bias, and how it blinds us to real danger [30:13] – Normalcy bias: the brain's desire for everything to be normal [32:04] – Breaking down a real, sophisticated parking lot kidnapping on video [35:36] – The simple bow: trust your intuition even without all the evidence [37:12] – What that woman could have noticed, and the double-tap unlock habit [43:14] – The TIME acronym: target selection, intelligence, method of attack, escape [46:16] – Why street criminals run the same process as terrorists [49:17] – Can you avoid being targeted? You can influence it, not always prevent it [52:04] – Charlie Kirk, Butler, and why it has to be stopped in advance [53:27] – Recognizing the interview means you've already been selected [56:16] – Hard target versus soft target, and why gimmicks don't work [57:29] – The undercover story: why street-smart observers saw through his disguise [1:02:47] – Willingness and ability are all it takes to be a hard target [1:04:31] – What bad guys are truly afraid of: failure [1:08:55] – Persuasion predators, masters of charm and disguise [1:10:31] – Reframing charm: ask why is this person trying to charm me [1:11:56] – No is a complete sentence, and the veils of denial [1:13:54] – Sociopaths, the pity play, and the puppy law used on children 5 Key Takeaways Violence Is a Process, Not Random — Attacks follow an observable, predictable sequence. Learning to spot the pattern, especially during arrival and departure moments, is what lets you get ahead of danger instead of reacting to it. Watch for the Watchers — Every environment has a purpose. Scan left to right for anomalies, people not using the space for its intended purpose, and notice who's watching who's coming and going. That awareness alone makes you a harder target. Trust Your Radar Over Normalcy Bias — Good people talk themselves out of intuitive warnings because they can't find hard evidence or don't want to seem judgmental. When something feels off, that unease is data. Default to it and remove yourself from the situation. Recognize the Interview — When a stranger approaches you in an anomalous moment, that's an interview, and it means you've already been selected as a target. How you manage that interaction, with the right body language and enough force, often determines whether an attack proceeds. Reframe Charm and Hold the Line on No — Teach daughters to ask why is this person trying to charm me rather than being flattered. No is a complete sentence, and anyone who pushes past it is signaling they care only about what they want. A pity play after being caught in lies is a massive red flag. Links & Resources Episode page and all links: https://thedadedge.com/1517 Sam Rosenberg's company, LiveReady: https://www.liveready.co/ Live Ready by Sam Rosenberg (the book): https://www.liveready.co/book LiveReady on YouTube (situational awareness and attack breakdowns): https://www.youtube.com/@LiveReadyCo LiveReady on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/livereadyco LiveReady on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LiveReadyCo LiveReady on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/LiveReadyCo/ LiveReady personal training: https://www.liveready.co/training Dad Edge Day with the Arizona Cardinals (November 15, Cardinals vs Rams, State Farm Stadium): https://thedadedge.com/nfl Roommates to soulmates thedadedge.com/soulmates Enjoyed This Episode? If Sam's breakdown of that parking lot attack made you look at your own routine differently, put one habit to work this week. Get your head up and off your phone during those arrival and departure moments, and have the charm and no conversation with your daughter. If the show keeps delivering, follow, rate, and leave a review so more fathers can find these conversations.

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