Most of us know we’re moving too fast, but can’t figure out how to stop. In this episode, journalist and author Carl Honoré joins Michael and Megan to explain how we got addicted to speed, what we’re missing out on as a result, and why slowing down is a skill that requires practice. They dig into the warning signs that you’re living too fast and the hidden math that makes quick fixes more expensive than slow ones. Our world moves fast. The good news is, you don’t have to.

Memorable Quotes

1. “There’s an intimate bond between slowness and remembering… Everything just moves very fast, nothing sticks, and you don’t remember anything.”
2. “Slow is a byword for lazy, boring, stupid, unproductive, all the things nobody wants to be associated with. And this taboo works like this: It means that even when we can feel in our bones that it’d be good for us to put on the brakes, even when we’re yearning to slow down, we don’t do it, because the taboo makes us feel ashamed, guilty, afraid.”
3. “People often say, ‘We don’t have time for a slow fix. We only have time for a quick fix,’ right?... But then later on, when the quick fix proves to have failed and blows up in our face, we always find time then to pick up the pieces and deal with the fallout, don’t we?”
4. “In this road runner culture, we are all marinated in adrenaline… I think we are now chemically, emotionally, physically, and biologically addicted to the rush of speed, and that drives us into the arms of the quick fix.”
5. “We need to build in little rituals—whether it’s meditation, reading a bit of poetry, sketching, whatever it is—that reacquaint us with slower, deeper rhythms… It kind of inoculates you against the virus of hurry… and allows you to come back into the fray with a mindset that is more still, more calm, more focused, more able to see the big picture.”
6. “It’s about doing things at, at the right speed. Musicians have a beautiful term for this. They call it the tempo giusto, right? The correct tempo for each piece of music… It’s putting quality before quantity. It’s being present, being in the moment… Slow is about doing everything not as fast as possible, but as well as possible.”
7. “One of the best ways to find that deeper, slower, healthier, richer rhythm, is spending time in nature. Because nature is the ultimate cradle of slowness. Everything happens in nature at the right pace.”
8. “Judiciously applied slowness can fire up creativity, can supercharge innovation, can deepen communication, and can avoid costly mistakes.”

Key Takeaways

1. Live in Tempo. There’s no one right speed, and slower isn’t always better. Musicians have a word for what we’re after: tempo giusto, the correct tempo for the piece. Sometimes, that tempo is fast! The skill is discerning the right speed, and moving at that pace.
2. Your Body Sends the Bill. Constant exhaustion, sloppy mistakes at work, and weeks you can’t quite recall are all symptoms of a life lived in overdrive. Your body isn't built to sustain that pace. Sooner or later, the bill comes due.
3. Quick Fixes Are Expensive. We reach for the fast solution because we believe we don’t have time for the slow one. But quick fixes usually create costly problems. Investing in slowness up front saves us hours and dollars.
4. Pull the Andon Rope. In Toyota factories, any worker at any rank could pull a rope and stop the entire production line when they spotted a problem. Everyone had permission to slow down and go find the root cause. What would that make possible in your company?
5. Slowness Requires Practice. Deciding to slow down won’t undo decades of speed. Slowing requires intentional practice. Choose hobbies or activities that require you to downshift—and don’t be surprised if you feel restless at first.

Resources

• In Praise of Slowness by Carl Honoré
• The Slow Fix by Carl Honoré
• carlhonore.info 

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

It's no secret that machine intelligence is evolving by the day. But what if there's a uniquely human intelligence that's altogether different? In this episode, neuroscientist, researcher, and Special Ops consultant Angus Fletcher joins Michael and Megan to explore our uniquely human contribution to the world. They unpack why children are more creative than AI, what intuition truly is (it's not pattern recognition), and how embracing your inner child can make you a better entrepreneur.

They also delve into human relationships, examining why mystery and curiosity are the engines of lasting love and how three simple practices helped turn around a 90% divorce rate among Army Special Forces operatives.

Memorable Quotes

1. “I think our brains are smarter than computers. I think children are more creative than AI. And I think that one of the real powers of the human brain is that unlike a computer, it doesn't need a lot of information. I think that it can handle volatility and uncertainty and all these kinds of things.”
2. “What we need to do as humans now is we need to say, ‘Hey, AI is great because it can handle all the label stuff, it can handle all the efficiency. It's time for us to get back to being human again,’ and realizing that being human again means cherishing the way that people are not like the labels I put on them."
3. “What's the one thing you learn in school? You learn that there's an answer, and the system has it. And what we know is that the more that a child believes that there's a right answer, the less likely she is to come up with a new answer. And so school, by its very method, crushes entrepreneurs.”
4. “Humans don't predict the future, we make the future. And the way that we make the future is we see a possibility that no one else has seen before, and we move faster to make that possibility happen, and that is unpredictable because it relies on the ability to spot exceptions faster.”
5. “When you despair, it's over. When you despair, you've already told yourself the end of the story, and so you've given up. Whereas what you've always gotta realize is that you're still in control, and you can still write the last chapter.”
6. “The reason that the hedonic treadmill exists is because once your brain has automated something, it wants you to move on from it. Your brain actually doesn't want you to take pleasure in automated activities because your brain wants you to automate something and then grow. Growth is what your brain takes perpetual pleasure from.”
7. “All the wisdom, all the emotional strength you have, those come from moments in your life when you struggled, when you failed, when you experienced setbacks and maybe even tragedies. And so really what you wanna do is you wanna start being thankful for those hard times because you realize those were a source of growth.”
8. “What we teach the operators is… to ask the other person who, what, when, where, how, but never why. Because the moment you ask ‘Why?’, you serve a judgment, and the conversation is over… The moment you've made a judgment, your relationship is over. You've fallen out of love. Love is about mystery.”

Key Takeaways

1. AI Optimizes. Humans Innovate. Computers excel in transparent, stable, data-rich environments. The human brain evolved for the opposite: murky, volatile, unpredictable conditions. Anytime you need something new, something human, or something that has never existed before, humans will always have the edge.
2. Intuition Is the Opposite of Pattern Recognition. That widely accepted belief that intuition is pattern recognition? It's demonstrably wrong. Computers are far better at pattern matching than humans, yet they have terrible intuition. Real intuition is the brain's ability to spot anomalies, exceptions, and outliers—the foundational skill of every entrepreneur.
3. Leave Optimizing to the Robots. The hedonic treadmill is real: the more you automate your life and work, the less pleasure you get from it. Your brain rewards growth. Leaders who focus exclusively on efficiency are, paradoxically, making themselves more replaceable in an AI world.
4. Your Inner Child Is Your Competitive Advantage. Children notice what's special. They don't think in labels and categories but embrace individuality and discovery. Reconnecting with that capacity—through travel, unfamiliar conversations, art, and genuine curiosity—is how you recultivate the intuition that school and workplace culture have suppressed.
5. Mystery Is Key to Love. Love thrives on the feeling that there's always something more to discover about your partner. Great partners keep asking questions: Who? What? When? And how? But they rarely ask Why?, because that renders judgment, and judgment kills curiosity and connection.

Resources

• Primal Intelligence: You Are Smarter Than You Know by Angus Fletcher
• Operation: Human (Angus Fletcher's newsletter)

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/7w38CL5iX2Y

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

Brad Stulberg is a researcher, writer, and coach focused on performance and sustainable excellence. In this conversation, he makes the case that excellence isn't primarily a performance strategy, but a virtue. He underscores that we’re wired to pursue our values and that the work we shape also shapes us in return. In a world obsessed with optimization, speed, and delegation, he advocates for craftsmanship, end-to-end ownership, and practicing the vulnerability required to stay close to our work and give it our all.

Memorable Quotes

1. “I think at the zenith, at the peak of excellence, we get those kinds of moments where our thinking mind is no longer on and we are just going completely by feel—moving forward, taking the next best step.”
2. “We are very much a striving species. So over the last decade, what's become a central question of mine is: How do we reconcile this need for groundedness and this foundation of presence with our hardwiring, which is striving?”
3. “No robot can give me the feeling of what it's like to get a heavy weight to move off the ground. No robot can give me the feeling of working really, really hard, grinding away at a paragraph, and then finally getting the right turn of phrase… In an increasingly digital age, I think we've got to protect things that help us feel alive and connected.”
4. “I define ‘zombie burnout’ not as a result of doing too much, but actually as a result of not doing enough of things that light you up and make you feel alive.”
5. “Far too often in rote achievement culture, we only think about ourselves working toward a goal. And what we don't realize is that our goal is shaping our character… Every action we take, we are shaping our character… We're stamping upon ourselves the person that we wanna be.”
6. “The people that we admire most are all try-hards because you cannot be your best at anything without making yourself vulnerable, risking failure, and trying hard… The things that you care about are going to break your heart because they're not always gonna go your way. But I argue that the benefits of all the richness and texture and satisfaction you get from giving things your all is big enough to hold the heartbreak.”
7. “You want to make sure that you are keeping the main thing the main thing, and you are doing the main thing. I think that it just comes down to asking yourself, ‘What is your craft?’ And by definition, your craft should be something that you are skilled in and that you see end-to-end.”

Key Takeaways

1. Excellence is a Virtue. Every pursuit shapes the person doing it. The marathon isn't just a goal you're working toward; the marathon is working on you. Giving something your all is for the sake of performance and character.
2. Burnout Isn’t Just an Hours Problem. Burnout can be a quantity problem of working too many hours. But “zombie burnout” is a quality problem arising from doing too little of what actually lights you up. We need work that aligns with our sense of autonomy, meaning, and competence.
3. Excellence Requires Four Stages. Research suggests that arriving at excellence requires four stages: Unconscious incompetence → conscious incompetence → conscious competence → unconscious competence. We can’t shortcut effortful trying, doubt, and setbacks.
4. Excellence Requires Intimacy. Masters must be up close and personal with their work, refusing to engage in distractions or shortchange their effort. Exercising excellence means risking vulnerability, failure, and even heartbreak—believing the satisfaction is worth it.
5. Don’t Delegate Your Craft. Work deeply tied to your identity (as a leader, creator, or parent) is yours to own end-to-end. Handing it off to another person or to AI undercuts your ability to shape the work and its ability to shape you. Figure out what’s uniquely yours and don’t let go.

Resources

• The Way of Excellence by Brad Stulberg
• Master of Change by Brad Stulberg
• The Practice of Groundedness by Brad Stulberg
• Peak Performance by Brad Stulberg and Steve Magness
• bradstulberg.com
• The Growth Equation Podcast

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/cHsPrWehFeA

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

Getting where you want to go requires five essential elements—and we’re all missing one or two, usually without realizing it. In this episode, Michael and Joel sit down with clinical psychologist and bestselling author Dr. Henry Cloud, to discuss his new book Your Desired Future. If you're working hard and still stuck or headed off course, this conversation will show you where the breakdown is happening and what to do about it.

Memorable Quotes

1. “We're the only [species] that can literally see a future state that does not exist today, and then organize our three things. We have basically our time, our energy, and our talents into making that happen.”
2. “We create teams, we create businesses, we create plans in our own image. Which means: we're wired a certain way, we have certain strengths and certain weaknesses, and we've done things in a certain way. We just take the next one and double click on that icon.”
3. “We always think somebody is in coaching because they're struggling. But the highest performers are the ones that use coaches the most and utilize them the best… We feel things from our experience, but we need other eyes.”
4. “The first thing to realize is nothing happens without accountability. Nothing. What is basic accountability? The etymology means ‘to answer to a trust.’… This is my role, and we're trusting each other to do what our part is to make this happen. It's a very positive thing.”
5. “Problems unaddressed become patterns. Patterns become deeply ingrained. It's like tributaries of water outta your gutter. It's not gonna go where it's supposed to.”

Key Takeaways

1. The Five Essentials Are Non-Negotiable. Vision, talent, strategy, accountability, and adaptability aren't a framework you can pick and choose from. Every one of them has to be present for something to go from here to there.
2. Share the Load to Hit All Five. You don’t have to master every domain. Build a network where every component is covered. Whether mentors, coaches, well-connected friends, or teammates wired differently, other people are always essential to our success.
3. Stop Hiring in Your Own Image. Leaders naturally gravitate toward people who think, work, and lead the way they do. The result is a team with the same blind spots, the same strengths, and the same gaps—amplified.
4. Accountability Is for Partnership. Feedback exists to get us where we said we wanted to go. When negative associations with the word pop up, remind yourself that accountability supports shared trust. It’s the root of partnership.
5. Early Intervention Changes Trajectories. Small course corrections are easy. Patterns are hard. Once a problem becomes a repeated behavior, it gets into the wiring of our minds and organizations. Spot where you’re starting to drift and shift.

Resources

• Your Desired Future by Dr. Henry Cloud
• Necessary Endings by Dr. Henry Cloud
• The Power of the Other by Dr. Henry Cloud
• Boundaries by Dr. Henry Cloud
• Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara

Watch on YouTube at:  https://youtu.be/soLMxYIfDr0

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound