Gaby welcomes Case Kenny to the pod to talk all things joy!

He talks about his journey to meditation, why he thinks it's so valuable for everyone and the pitfalls of talking about it in the wrong way.

Case embraces mindfulness, but also looks at it in a very unique way. Hear him talk to Gaby about how he approaches making time (and space) for himself and his head!

(he's also started playlists for meditation now - with a mizture of music depending on your mood. Find out more in the ep!)

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