Financial therapist Amanda Clayman returns to the podcast to talk about Gabe's fears their therapist or financial professionals will be mad at them if they tell the truth, how to use cognitive behavioral therapy when it comes to money, and how the body and mind normalize quick fixes and running from the pain.

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