What's the real difference between a CFO and a COO? Can you do both roles simultaneously? And which title is more desirable from a career perspective? Today’s guest, Colin Sims, who is currently the CFO of Hunters but has held both titles multiple times, joins CJ to answer these questions and to talk about channel sales. They discuss what it takes to build a successful channel sales model and how companies need to “feed the channels" before expecting them to feed the company in return. You’ll hear about winning sales motions, what to look for in a CRO, and why transparency trumps democracy when it comes to business decisions.

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LINKS:

Colin Sims: https://www.linkedin.com/in/colinjsims/

Hunters:

https://www.hunters.security/

CJ on X (@cjgustafson222): https://x.com/cjgustafson222

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Preview and Intro

(02:35) Sponsor – Planful | Subscript | Rippling Spend

(06:39) The Real Difference Between a CFO and a COO

(12:58) Why CFOs Are in Greater Demand Than COOs

(16:48) Sponsor – Vanta | Tropic | NetSuite

(22:21) The CFO-COO Hybrid Role

(23:39) Skills To Be a Good COO

(26:21) A Winning Sales Motion and the CRO

(32:07) Intellectual Curiosity and the Ability To Learn and Adapt

(34:48) CROs for Different Stages

(36:32) Channel Sales Models That Rely on Partners

(41:14) The Predicability of Channel Models

(44:24) Where Channel Sales Go Wrong

(47:05) The Different Types of Channels

(49:03) Transparency Works, Democracy Doesn’t

(54:27) Long-Ass Lightning Round: Hiring Mistakes

(55:56) Finance Software Stack

(58:02) Craziest Expense Story

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