Becoming Singapore’s youngest parliamentarian was just the beginning.

In Part Two of this conversation, Tin Pei Ling reflects on how she’s evolved as a leader, mother, policymaker, and public voice. From walking the campaign trail just days after giving birth, to pursuing an MBA mid-term while managing a constituency, her path isn’t about having it all—it’s about knowing what to give, and when.

She opens up about the guilt of missing milestones, the value of learning from older peers, and the real cost of public service. She also shares her ongoing fight for women’s empowerment, elderly inclusion, mental wellness, and Singapore’s digital future. For anyone navigating multiple roles at once, Pei Ling’s story is a case study in conviction—and quiet strength.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Why She Chose an MBA—After Already Getting Elected

“Politics was public. But I needed something personal—to grow, stretch, and see the world differently.”

What Booth Taught Her (Besides Economics)

“I wasn’t just learning frameworks. I was building a new lens through which to see leadership.”

Motherhood, Duty, and the Election That Didn’t Wait

“Two weeks after giving birth, I was out campaigning. I came home to a baby who’d grown before my eyes.”

There’s No Perfect Balance—Only Trade-Offs

“As an MP, an employee, and a mother, I’ve had to make hard choices. But I’ve never walked alone.”

Why Support Systems Are Everything

“Behind every successful woman is an ecosystem. Mine includes teammates, voters, bosses, and family.”

From Guilt to Advocacy: Fighting for Women’s Aspirations

“Not everyone has what I had. That’s why I fight for better policies—for every woman with a dream.”

Mental Health, Aging, and the Power of Policy

“Youth need tools. Seniors need dignity. My job is to speak for both.”

Why Digital Fluency Is a Women’s Issue Too

“Tech can empower women—if we help them unlock it. That’s what smart nations really need: smart, supported women.”

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What happens when your first job in politics comes with public ridicule, online harassment, and sky-high expectations?

At 27, Tin Pei Ling became Singapore’s youngest female Member of Parliament. But what looked like a bold milestone from the outside was also the darkest chapter of her life. In Part One of this candid conversation, Pei Ling opens up about walking away from a stable consulting job, the backlash she faced as a “too young” candidate, and why she chose to fight for trust instead of attention.

This is not a story about instant triumph. It’s a story about resilience in public, self-doubt in private, and choosing to grow anyway. Whether you’re 22 or 52, this episode redefines what it means to earn your place—without needing to shout for it.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Psychology to Politics: A Career Rerouted by Life

“My dream was to be a clinical psychologist—but when my father had a heart attack, everything changed.”

The Consulting Detour That Built Her Backbone

“Ernst & Young taught me structure, speed, and how to handle steep learning curves. I still use that training today.”

The Election That Changed Everything

“I was the youngest, the newest, the most criticized—and it nearly broke me.”

A Sacred Duty, Not Just a Title

“Once I got elected, I quit my job. If people trusted me with their votes, I had to give them my full time.”

No Days Off: What Real Ground Work Looks Like

“Parliament, emails, grassroots events—being an MP means being on call, always.”

How She Faced Ageism—and Turned It Into Strength

“People looked at me and asked, ‘Who are you to understand my life?’ I answered with presence, not perfection.”

Silence, Cynicism, and Social Media Attacks

“People made up stories about my personal life. Every night I cried, every morning I showed up again.”

Why She’s Still Grateful for the Pain

“That period shaped my emotional growth. Today, I’m more resilient—and I have a story that might help someone else.”

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Would you leave a powerful career in global banking, pack up your family, and start over in a developing country?

That’s exactly what Fatou Sagna Sow did. Born and raised in Paris, she built a high-flying legal career at some of the world’s top banks—leading teams, managing billion-dollar deals, and thriving in the French system. But it wasn’t enough. In 2016, she returned to Senegal to write a new playbook—one rooted in identity, impact, and intercontinental connection.

In this episode, Fatou shares how she navigated fear, culture shifts, and politics to become a driving force in Senegal’s economic development. From banana-fiber sanitary pads to Japan-Africa tech exchanges, she’s creating a cross-border entrepreneurship model that blends French precision with Senegalese ambition. 

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Paris to Dakar: Why She Left It All Behind

“I had a great career in France—but I wasn’t challenging myself anymore. Senegal was calling.”

Motherhood as Motivation

“I wanted my kids to know their roots. To grow up understanding both cultures, without borders.”

Building Power Through Politics

“Politics helped me understand Senegal’s real economy—and gave me a network I still rely on today.”

Becoming a Technical Advisor to the Prime Minister

“Just two years after I moved, I was advising on blue economy, green economy, and industrial policy. It changed how I saw my role.”

Banana Fiber Meets Social Innovation: The Luna Na Project

“We’re turning banana waste into sanitary pads. It’s never been done before in Senegal—and it’s changing lives.”

Creating Bridges, Not Borders

“I bring together young talent from France and Senegal. They collaborate, co-create, and even co-own the ventures they launch here.”

From France to Monaco, Then Japan: Global Partnerships for Local Growth

“I’m working with embassies, economic councils, and corporate leaders to connect young Africans with opportunity around the world.”

The Hardest Part: Letting Go of Stability

“I left a stable job with great pay. The fear was real. But so was the mission.”

New Deal Consulting: Writing Her Own Law Book for Change

“As a lawyer, I followed rules. Now I create new ones—for impact, for equity, and for the next generation.”
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Hybrid work was supposed to be the future—but it’s feeling more like a tug-of-war.

Wayne Turmel, co-author of The Long-Distance Leader, has spent two decades studying how we lead across distance—and what falls apart when we don’t. In this episode, Wayne explains why most return-to-office plans are more negotiation than strategy, how unexamined proximity bias silently shapes promotions, and why hybrid leadership isn’t about place—it’s about intentionality.

Whether you’re managing global teams or trying to avoid burnout-by-Zoom, this conversation will help you rethink what modern leadership actually requires—and how to do it without micromanaging or burning people out.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Leadership Before Location: The First Rule of Remote Work

“If you’re a weak leader in person, remote will make it worse. Hybrid just exposes the cracks faster.”

Genghis Khan Didn’t Need WebEx—You Don’t Need Chaos

“Leading from afar isn’t new. But today, we confuse tech tools with leadership itself.”

Proximity Bias: The Promotion No One Talks About

“People in the office get more attention—whether we mean to favor them or not. That’s not strategy. That’s inertia.”

Why Hybrid Isn’t Really Hybrid

“Three-day compromises aren’t hybrid strategies. Most companies are just seeing how far they can push before people quit.”

Deep Work, Loud Offices, and Cake in the Break Room

“Don’t bring people back just to distract them. Save the office for coaching, collaboration, and trust-building.”

Synchronous vs. Asynchronous: It’s About Time (Literally)

“If you’re clocking in remotely on someone else’s schedule, you’re not working hybrid—you’re just working differently.”

Amazon, Turnover, and the Future of Micromanagement

“With 150% annual churn, maybe it’s not a location problem. Maybe it’s a leadership one.”

High Finance vs. High Flexibility

“Jamie Dimon’s playbook may work for Wall Street. But others are asking: does it have to be that way?”

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The way we communicate is changing—but what does that mean for the humans doing the talking?

Dr. Juliana Schroeder, associate professor at UC Berkeley Haas, has spent her career unpacking how we perceive other minds—both human and machine. In this episode, she breaks down how AI isn’t just reshaping tech—it’s reshaping the psychology of communication itself. From virtual assistants to algorithmic bias, and from voice cues to power dynamics, Juliana offers a grounded look at what we gain (and risk losing) as AI enters our social and professional lives.

For executives, educators, and anyone raising kids in a world of voice bots and Zoom calls, Juliana’s insights are both sobering and empowering: technology may evolve, but the need for mindful, human-centered interaction is here to stay.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The Mind Behind the Mind: Why She Studies Perception

“Humans can’t read minds—but we act like we can. I study how we form beliefs about others’ thoughts and feelings—and where those beliefs go wrong.”

From Hard Science to Human Behavior

A former physics student, Juliana fell in love with psychology’s messier questions: persuasion, power, and decision-making.

Alexa, Am I in Charge?

“When we treat virtual assistants like humans, we start to feel powerful. That shift can change how we act—sometimes for the worse.”

The Confirmation Bias Trap of AI

“LLMs like ChatGPT often reflect what we say, not what we need. They’re agreeable by design—and that creates a unique kind of echo chamber.”

Medium Matters: Why Voice Beats Text

“Text strips out nuance. Voice restores it. If you want to be seen as warm, competent, or persuasive—don’t rely on email.”

Hiring, Algorithms, and the Need for Transparency

“When high-stakes decisions get outsourced to black-box AI, people rebel. We still want a human in the loop.”

Designing Better Conversations—With Humans and Machines

What if your AI pushed back? Juliana imagines future assistants with ‘sass’ to counteract human overconfidence.

What Leaders Should (Still) Master

“Great communicators don’t just speak—they switch modalities when needed. They know when to email, when to Zoom, and when to step away.”

More Tech ≠ Better Talk

“Too many tools can backfire. The best leaders know how to reduce distraction and amplify meaning—whether talking to humans or machines.”
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Confidence might be the most overused word in leadership—but Lucy Gernon is here to give it teeth.

After two decades in the pharmaceutical world, Lucy faced a moment of reckoning when a family tragedy pushed her to stop waiting and start living on her own terms. Now, as a multi-award-winning executive coach and founder of the Executive Presence Blueprint, she helps high-achieving women get out of their own heads—and into positions of power.

In this episode, Lucy opens up about overcoming self-doubt, people-pleasing, and the inner critic that once held her back. From side hustle strategies to emotional intelligence and inclusive leadership, she shares what it really takes to build confidence that lasts—not the kind that sounds good on Pinterest, but the kind that actually gets you promoted.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Science to Stage: A Career Rewired by Purpose

“Even as a microbiologist, I always loved people more than Petri dishes.”

The Wake-Up Call: When Life Says ‘Go Now’

“When my father-in-law died suddenly, I realized: I was living to please others, not myself.”

Why She Stopped Quoting Gurus and Started Trusting Herself

“I used to borrow quotes—until a coach said, ‘What about your frameworks?’ That changed everything.”

The Confidence Myth, Debunked

“It’s not about being loud. It’s about being certain—in your voice, your value, your vision.”

Motherhood, Mortgages, and Making It Work

“I didn’t leap blindly—I side-hustled, saved, tested, and built. Strategy beats spontaneity.”

What Executive Presence Looks Like Now (Hint: Not a Guy in a Suit)

Harvard data, leadership shifts, and why charisma, inclusion, and vision matter more than ever.

Her Signature Framework for Female Leaders

Gravitas, communication, appearance—and the one trait that still tops them all: confidence.

Learning to Let Go: Why Clients Must Do the Work

“It’s not my job to fix someone. The right clients are ready to act, not just listen.”

AI and Coaching: Collaborators, Not Competitors

“I use AI every day—to refine frameworks, spark ideas, and scale tools. But human connection? That’s irreplaceable.”

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What happens when the dream job turns into a corporate casualty?

Benedikt Oehmen spent nearly two decades at Blizzard—first as a support staffer, then a beloved team leader—only to watch the company’s gamer-first culture erode after its merger with Activision. When layoffs came, it wasn’t just a paycheck he lost. It was identity, community, and certainty.

But Benedikt didn’t stay stuck. He pivoted from game development to career redevelopment—first coaching his own team through grief and transition, then launching a business to guide others through the same. 

In this episode, he shares his powerful “Big Three” framework—Be Kind, Be Present, Be Open—along with practical tools for anyone facing layoffs, career upheaval, or a post-corporate identity crisis. It’s not just theory—it’s lived wisdom from someone who’s been there.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Blizzard Beginnings: From Physics to Warcraft

“I took a semester off physics to try working at Blizzard… 17 years later, I was still there.”

When Work Feels Like Family—Until It Doesn’t

“It wasn’t just a job. We played together, worked together, partied together. And then came the layoffs.”

Culture Clash: When Epic Games Turn Into Earnings Reports

“After the Activision merger, all we heard was: how do we make more money?”

Career Plot Twist: Coaching Instead of Collapsing

“I stayed to help my team transition. That’s when I discovered coaching—and myself.”

No More Overlords: Why He Chose Life After Layoffs

“I didn’t want to keep making rich people richer. I wanted to help geeks like me take back control.”

The Big Three: A Framework for Reinvention

Be Kind. Be Present. Be Open. Simple words, real results.

Mistakes = Learning in Disguise

“Writing a book felt impossible—until I reframed it. Not ‘write a book.’ Just ‘become a person who writes daily.’”

From Grief to Growth: Why Change Can Still Be Kind

“It’s okay to mourn the past. But if you listen to your future self, you’ll start moving again.”

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Ian Myers isn’t here to give you startup hacks—he’s here to tell the truth.

At just 26, he became a CEO. By 30, he’d built Oceans, a $10 million agency connecting skilled professionals in Sri Lanka with U.S. startups. But his story isn’t a straight line—it’s an open map. From literature to venture capital, Japan to New York, success and failure, Ian has treated life like a Tintin adventure: follow the clues, embrace the chaos, and keep going.

In this conversation, we dig into what really fuels a global entrepreneur—from Buddhist philosophy to a bias for action—and how Ian’s building a future-of-work company that’s human-first, not hype-driven. For anyone rethinking college, career paths, or the AI takeover, Ian offers something rarer than advice: perspective.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Tintin Over Tech Bros: Why Curiosity Beats Calculation

“My role model isn’t Musk or Zuck—it’s Tintin. He’s fearless, inquisitive, and always exploring something new.”

Zen and the Founder’s Mind

“Buddhism taught me how to stay grounded through chaos. That mindset shaped how I lead.”

LinkedIn Paralysis Is Real. Here’s What to Do Instead.

“People tell me, ‘My classmate’s a VP already—I’ve failed.’ That thinking’s toxic. Just follow what’s interesting.”

Ageism, Across Borders

“In Japan, your age trumps your ideas. It pushed me toward entrepreneurship.”

Oceans: Talent Without Borders

“We embed Sri Lankan professionals into U.S. startups—not as temps, but as core team members.”

AI, Hype, and the Reality Check

“Yes, AI is impressive. But like every tech wave, adoption will take longer than people think.”

The Diversity Dilemma: Who Gets a Seat at the (Remote) Table?

“We’ve turned down clients who wanted ‘an attractive female EA.’ We hire for skill, not stereotypes.”

Don’t Overplot Your Life.

“The world’s chaotic. You won’t chart a perfect course. Just keep moving—and recalibrate as you go.”

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For the first time, the Chief Change Officer podcast returns to its birthplace—Hong Kong—to spotlight local artist and community builder May Yeung.

From doodling on walls at age two to sculpting giant dim sum steamers for public exhibitions, May’s journey is anything but typical. She swapped Goldman Sachs for gallery spaces, battled cancer with faith (and clay), and now leads Art of My Family, a charity that brings art, healing, and heritage to underprivileged youth across Hong Kong. Whether it’s mental wellness programs, intergenerational education, or marine-themed installations made from recycled shells, May turns every life experience into a canvas for good. Bonus: her baby son Archer makes a surprise guest appearance—arguably stealing the show.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Draw First, Write Later: A Childhood in Color

“I drew on walls before I could write my name… by twelve, I knew I’d be an artist.”

When Music Shapes the Clay

From piano lessons with Hong Kong’s top musicians to dance-sculpture mashups, May’s art listens before it speaks.

The Goldman Pivot: Finding Purpose Through CSR

“I helped organize community art after Hurricane Sandy. That’s when the impact bug bit.”

From Cancer to Conviction: The ALT of Art

“Faith, feeling alive, touching lives—cancer gave me a new mission, not just new scars.”

Archer Joins the Show: A Toddler-Sized Shift in Artistic Purpose

“Motherhood made me realize: my art must nourish the next generation—his and others’.”

Dim Sum, Ping Pong, and Bamboo Dreams

From Chinese checkers to handmade steamers, May’s art honors Hong Kong’s everyday beauty.

‘What If’ and ‘Blossom Love’: Sculpting Global Conversations

“What If” made her the first Asian sculptor to exhibit at Rockefeller Chapel; “Blossom Love” built a cultural bridge between Hong Kong and the Netherlands.

Why ‘Art of My Family’ Isn’t Just a Name

May’s nonprofit uses art to serve mental health, sustainability, and inclusion—with the three C’s: co-design, co-create, co-learn.

Mission: Teaching Artists Who Teach From Life

“I’m not just instructing—I’m modeling the mess, joy, and resilience of the creative path.”
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Vince Jeong isn’t your typical edtech founder—and this isn’t your typical training conversation.

After immigrating to Canada at 12 and learning English from scratch, Vince chased uncertainty across five continents and a dozen careers—from McKinsey to NGOs in Tanzania to Latin American startups. That winding path led him to one insight: real learning happens when real people engage together, not alone.

Now as CEO of Sparkwise, he’s scaling live group learning in ways that mirror the best of Harvard and McKinsey—without the tuition price tag or talent filters. In this episode, we unpack how Vince is reimagining adult learning for corporations, creators, and communities alike. If you’re bored to tears by lifeless courses and stale corporate training, tune in for a vision that makes learning social again.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

Immigrant Experience 101: Rebuilding Myself at Age 12

“Moving from Korea to Canada without speaking English forced me to rediscover who I was.”

Curiosity Beats Certainty: The Career Built by Exploration

“I chased the unknown—Tanzania, Colombia, consulting—because experience is the only way to find what matters.”

Why Group Learning Beats Solo Slides

“Learning isn’t about dumping information. It’s about building shared understanding in real time.”

From Stage to Startup: Live Group Dynamics Are in My DNA

“I hosted live shows on Korean TV, emceed weddings, and ran workshops—I’ve always brought people together.”

Scaling Harvard-Style Learning Without the Harvard Price

“We’re making elite-level training experiences accessible to more people—without compromising quality.”

Human > Hashtag: Rebuilding Community That’s More Than Skin Deep

“Social media gave us networks, not connection. We’re creating the space for meaningful group interaction again.”

Partners in Impact: Who Sparkwise Was Built For

“Our tools are for those who want richer learning—or want to scale what they offer without losing touch.”

The Content Wake-Up Call: AI Can’t Replace Real Dialogue

“Content’s getting commoditized. The future lies in how we apply, discuss, and activate it together.”

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