On this week's Talkhouse Podcast we’ve got two old friends who’ve contributed more than their fair share to the emo world and beyond and lived to tell the tale: Evan Weiss and Chris Carrabba.

Carrabba is of course the main creative force behind Dashboard Confessional, whose early albums—specifically The Swiss Army Romance and The Places You Have Come to Fear the Most—basically invented the genre’s confessional acoustic-based era. He could’ve made those records a dozen times over the past 20 years, but instead Carrabba filled out Dashboard’s sound over the years, stretching out where the muse took him. Now an elder statesman, Carrabba returned to that simpler sound but brought years of wisdom with him for 2022’s All the Truth That I Can Tell, which he talks about in this great chat. Dashboard will head out on a long summer tour with Goo Goo Dolls starting July 13, but not before playing a show with Weiss’s band in Vegas the day before.

Weiss’s band would be Pet Symmetry, a trio he’s been part of for the past decade or so, and which just released an excellent new album: Big Symmetry is a big, loveable, tuneful set of songs that all start with the word “big.” It’s a joyful blast of pop-punk that feels like a deliberate antidote to tough times. It may also be a bit of a reaction to what fans would consider Weiss’s main band, Into It. Over It., which flies that emo flag a bit higher. But whatever, those tags are pretty silly when we ought to be talking about songs. Speaking of, check out the song “Big Wish” from the album Big Symmetry right here.

In this wide-ranging chat, Carrabba and Weiss talk about the holiness of punk community, the accidental origins of Dashboard Confessional plus that band’s long hiatus and rebirth, and how the financial collapse of 2008 had opposite effects on their careers. It’s true! Enjoy.

0:00 – Intro

2:21 – Start of the chat

4:45 – On psychedelics

6:34 – Best venue to play a gig (and watch a gig)

13:27 – Were you ever over your head with Dashboard Confessional?

19:00 – Three pieces of advice for younger bands

25:50 – How has Dashboard Confessional evolved?

34:30 – The '08-'09 music era

39:59 – Does increased music access lower fan excitement?

41:25 – One more piece of advice: Take control

46:33 – One more (last) piece of advice: Honor the people who helped you

50:20 – Carrabba on his superpower

Thanks for listening to the Talkhouse Podcast, and thanks to Chris Carrabba and Evan Weiss for chatting. If you liked what you heard, please follow Talkhouse on your favorite podcasting platform, and check out all the other great podcasts in our network. This episode was produced by Myron Kaplan, and the Talkhouse theme was composed and performed by the Range. See you next time!