After seven months away from the mic, Megan is back with a guest who matches the moment. Deborah Santana is the daughter of a pioneering interracial couple, jazz musician Saunders King and Jo Frances King, and she spent thirty four years as the wife of music legend Carlos Santana, raising their three children and helping run Santana Management from the inside.

In this conversation, Deborah and Megan talk about what happens when the roles we build our identity around, wife, mother, caretaker, even drinker, start to fall away, and who we find underneath them.

They dig into codependency, boundaries, meditation as a daily practice, the slow and sometimes decades long process of walking away from alcohol, and what it looks like to keep growing and reinventing yourself well into your seventies.

Deborah also shares the story behind the "How to Walk Through Fire" section of her new memoir, a guide she wrote for anyone standing in the middle of their own flames trying to decide which way to go.

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