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March 22, 2025 333 – Dunning-Kruger Effect in Trauma-Informed Therapy
Autistic Therapists in Practice - The Essential Skill of Academic Referencing
In Episode 333 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly, take us through this week's three key topics:
Firstly, in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice' we look at understanding the Dunning-Kruger Effect in trauma-informed therapy and how it can impact professional competence.
Then in 'Practice Matters', Rory interviews an autistic therapist who has chosen to stay anonymous to allow for an open and honest conversation. This discussion is about their lived experience and insights into neurodivergence in the profession.
And lastly in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken look at the importance of referencing in assignments, avoiding common pitfalls, and using digital tools to ensure accuracy.
Dunning-Kruger Effect in Trauma-Informed Therapy [starts at 03:14 mins]
Working with trauma requires ongoing learning, and in this section, Rory and Ken discuss the dangers of overestimating our competence and the need for continual professional development:
The Dunning-Kruger Effect suggests that individuals with limited knowledge often overestimate their expertise while those with extensive knowledge may underestimate their abilities.
In trauma therapy, assuming we know more than we do can be harmful to clients, as misinterpreting trauma responses can lead to ineffective or even damaging interventions.
Ethical practice calls for therapists to engage in continued learning and training to ensure they remain informed and competent.
Rory shares his personal journey in recognising gaps in his early training, and how expanding his trauma-informed knowledge transformed his practice.
Investing in training isn't just beneficial - it's essential to maintaining ethical and effective care for trauma survivors.
Autistic Therapists in Practice [starts at 23:13 mins]
In this week's 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with an autistic therapist about navigating the profession while being neurodivergent.
Key points from the conversation include:
Breaking stereotypes - Addressing common misconceptions about autistic professionals in therapy.
Masking and burnout - How masking neurodivergent traits in a professional setting can lead to exhaustion.
Client relationships - How self-disclosure and a neurodivergent perspective can enhance therapeutic connection.
Workplace accommodations - The importance of reasonable adjustments to support autistic therapists in practice.
Neurodivergent therapists can bring unique strengths to therapy, including deep empathy and creative engagement techniques.
The Essential Skill of Academic Referencing [starts at 50:34 mins]
Accurate referencing is an essential skill in academic writing. In this section, Rory and Ken explore best practices for referencing and common mistakes to avoid:
Referencing provides credibility and allows others to verify the sources used.
There are different referencing styles (Harvard, APA, etc.), and it's important to follow your institution's guidelines.
Common mistakes include incorrect formatting, missing citations, and relying on non-academic sources like Wikipedia.
AI tools and university citation generators can assist in formatting references correctly.
Ensuring references are listed in alphabetical order and checking if word counts include citations can help avoid unnecessary resubmissions.
Good referencing strengthens your argument and ensures academic integrity.
Links and Resources
Counselling Skills Academy
Advanced Certificate in Counselling Supervision
Basic Counselling Skills: A Student Guide
Counsellor CPD
Counselling Study Resource
Counselling Theory in Practice: A Student Guide
Counselling Tutor Shop
Facebook group
Website
Online and Telephone Counselling: A Practitioner's Guide
Online and Telephone Counselling Course
1 hr 12 min
March 22, 2025333 - Dunning-Kruger Effect in Trauma-Informed Therapy
In Episode 333 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly, take us through this week's three key topics:

Firstly, in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice' we look at understanding the Dunning-Kruger Effect in trauma-informed therapy and how it can impact professional competence.

Then in 'Practice Matters', Rory interviews an autistic therapist who has chosen to stay anonymous to allow for an open and honest conversation. This discussion is about their lived experience and insights into neurodivergence in the profession.

And lastly in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken look at the importance of referencing in assignments, avoiding common pitfalls, and using digital tools to ensure accuracy.
1 hr 12 min
March 15, 2025 332 – Developing an Online Mindset
AI in Therapy - Comparing Ethical Frameworks
In Episode 332 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly guide you through this week's three topics:
Firstly, in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice', we look at developing an online mindset to effectively work with clients online.
Then, in 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with Richard Miller, a counsellor, supervisor, and AI ethicist, about the ethical use of AI in therapy, its possibilities, challenges, and implications.
Lastly, in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken discuss comparing ethical frameworks and why it's an important exercise in counselling training.
In this section, Rory and Ken discuss the concept of developing an online mindset in therapy. This mindset is essential for counsellors who want to effectively provide online therapy to their clients.
The key points discussed include:
What is an Online Mindset?
An online mindset is understanding that online therapy is as valid as face-to-face therapy, and it requires the same attention to ethical standards, client care, and professionalism.
The pandemic of 2020 shifted online therapy from a niche practice to a mainstream method of working with clients.
Counsellors must be familiar with the technology they use, including video software, microphones, internet speed, and webcam settings.
The Importance of Technology in Online Therapy
Understanding how technology works ensures a seamless therapeutic experience for clients. This includes having appropriate equipment, such as a stable internet connection, clear audio, and good lighting.
Testing your setup with a peer is an essential step to ensuring everything runs smoothly during online sessions.
Professionalism in Online Therapy
Just as much care is needed in setting up an online practice as a physical office. This includes considering the lighting, background, and sound quality to ensure clients feel comfortable and supported.
Building an Online Therapeutic Space
Just like a physical therapy room, an online therapy space should be set up in a way that allows clients to feel safe, comfortable, and confidential. It is the responsibility of the therapist to ensure that their environment supports these qualities.
It's important to consider factors such as lighting, background, and sound.
AI in Therapy [starts at 29:49 mins]
In Practice Matters, Rory interviews Richard Miller about the ethical use of AI in therapy. They explore the possibilities and challenges AI presents for the counselling profession.
The key points of this conversation include:
The Growing Role of AI in Therapy
Richard discusses the ethical implications of using AI tools in therapeutic settings. Examples include AI chatbots used for communication with clients or AI programs that help with documentation.
AI technology is widely used in everyday life, such as recommendation algorithms on streaming platforms like Netflix and social media. However, its application in therapy raises concerns about confidentiality, informed consent, and the accuracy of AI-generated content.
Informed Consent and Confidentiality
When AI is used in therapy, it's important to obtain informed consent from clients about how their data is used, stored, and shared. Therapists must be transparent about the tools they use, particularly AI-driven ones, to maintain client trust.
Risks and Challenges of Using AI
AI may influence decisions or therapy outcomes, but it cannot replace human judgement or emotional intelligence in therapeutic practice.
Richard discusses the ethical responsibility of counsellors to understand and critically assess the AI tools they use and how these tools may affect their practice and client care.
Comparing Ethical Frameworks [starts at 59:25 mins]
In Student Services, Rory and Ken discuss the importance of comparing ethical frameworks during counsellor training.
1 hr 15 min
March 15, 2025332 - Developing an Online Mindset
In Episode 332 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly guide you through this week's three topics:

Firstly, in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice', we look at developing an online mindset to effectively work with clients online.

Then, in 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with Richard Miller, a counsellor, supervisor, and AI ethicist, about the ethical use of AI in therapy, its possibilities, challenges, and implications.

Lastly, in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken discuss comparing ethical frameworks and why it's an important exercise in counselling training.
1 hr 15 min
March 08, 2025331 – Ethical Dilemmas in Supervision
In Episode 331 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week's three topics:

Firstly, in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice', we explore ethical dilemmas in supervision and discuss strategies for resolving them effectively.

Then, in 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with Dorothy Hodgkinson about working with clients who have 'life-restricting' conditions and how these conditions impact the therapeutic relationship.

And lastly, in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken discuss the importance of challenging stereotypes in counselling training, offering insights into how counsellors can avoid stereotyping clients in their practice.
1 hr 5 min
March 01, 2025 330 – Working with Clients Abroad
Importance of Psychosexual Therapy - Meeting Supervision Hour Requirements
In Episode 330 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week's three topics:
Firstly, in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice', we explore the challenges and considerations of offering online therapy to clients abroad, particularly focusing on legal, ethical, and practical concerns.
Then in 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with Lohani Noor about the importance of psychosexual therapy and how therapists can gain the skills to support clients navigating intimate issues.
Lastly, in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken provide practical advice for counselling students on meeting course requirements for supervision hours, emphasising the importance of documentation and careful planning.
Working with Clients Abroad [starts at 03:15 mins]
In this section, Rory and Ken discuss the complexities and ethical considerations of navigating online therapy with clients abroad. This has become increasingly common as more therapists and clients embrace online sessions.
Key points from this conversation include:
Legalities of International Therapy: Different countries have varying regulations regarding who can practice therapy within their borders, and therapists need to be aware of these laws.
Ethical Considerations: Therapists must understand the ethical frameworks that govern their practice, especially when providing therapy to clients in jurisdictions that may have different cultural norms or legal frameworks.
Client Safety: It's essential to discuss with clients the potential risks involved in online therapy, especially when they are in different countries with different laws, such as those surrounding confidentiality and the protection of vulnerable clients.
Insurance: One of the most important considerations when offering therapy to clients abroad is to speak with your insurance company to ensure that you are covered for international practice.
It's crucial to understand what is legally required and the potential risks involved in practising internationally.
Importance of Psychosexual Therapy [starts at 28:42 mins]
In Practice Matters, Rory speaks with Lohani Noor about psychosexual therapy, focusing on what makes an effective psychosexual therapist and the necessary training and skills required.
The main points of this conversation include:
Training in Psychosexual Therapy: there is a growing need for specialised psychosexual therapists, and formal training is important. Psychosexual therapy is not only about addressing sexual issues but also understanding relational dynamics.
The Role of the Therapist: The therapist's role in psychosexual therapy is to facilitate conversations around intimacy, sexual health, and relationships in a safe, non-judgemental environment.
Inclusivity in Psychosexual Therapy: Lohani shares how her training program includes diverse voices to ensure a comprehensive and inclusive approach to psychosexual issues, addressing both cultural and sexual diversity.
Biopsychosocial Model: Lohani uses this model to help therapists understand the biological, psychological, and social factors that impact a person's sexual health and relationships.
Meeting Supervision Hour Requirements [starts at 47:18 mins]
In Student Services, Rory and Ken discuss the crucial topic of meeting supervision hour requirements as part of your training and practice.
Key points discussed include:
Understanding Supervision Hours: Supervision hours are a non-negotiable part of counsellor training, and it's important to track them carefully. Students must ensure that every hour worked with clients is supervised to meet course and professional body requirements.
Tracking Hours Accurately: Rory emphasises the need for students to document their supervised hours accurately. A common mistake is counting unsupervised hours or miscalcula...
1 hr 7 min
March 01, 2025330 - Working with Clients Abroad
In Episode 330 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week's three topics:

Firstly, in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice', we explore the challenges and considerations of offering online therapy to clients abroad, particularly focusing on legal, ethical, and practical concerns.

Then in 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with Lohani Noor about the importance of psychosexual therapy and how therapists can gain the skills to support clients navigating intimate issues.

Lastly, in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken provide practical advice for counselling students on meeting course requirements for supervision hours, emphasising the importance of documentation and careful planning.
1 hr 7 min
February 22, 2025 329 – Distinguishing PTSD and Complex PTSD
Navigating Client Complaints Effectively - Managing Observed Skills Sessions
In Episode 329 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week's three topics:
Firstly in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice', Rory and Ken discuss distinguishing PTSD and Complex PTSD, exploring the evolution of trauma therapy and the importance of understanding physiological responses in trauma-informed practice.
Then in 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with Susie Jamieson about how to navigate client complaints effectively, sharing practical strategies and personal experiences to help therapists be complaint-ready.
And lastly in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken talk about managing overwhelm during observed skills sessions, providing tips for reducing anxiety and building confidence in counselling skills practice.
Distinguishing PTSD and Complex PTSD [starts at 03:41 mins]
Distinguishing PTSD and Complex PTSD is essential in modern counselling. In this section, Rory and Ken explore the following key points:
The shift from PTSD to PTS: dropping "Disorder" to reduce stigma.
Introduction to Complex Post-Traumatic Stress (CPTS) and its identification.
The evolution from 20th-century psychological theories to trauma-informed practices.
The significance of physiological awareness in trauma responses and how trauma impacts the body.
The role of trauma education in counsellor training and the importance of continuous learning.
Navigating Client Complaints Effectively [starts at 24:41 mins]
In this week’s ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Susie Jamieson about navigating client complaints effectively.
The key points of this conversation include:
Susie’s personal journey and insights from her CPD lectures on complaint readiness.
The emotional and professional impact of complaints on therapists.
Strategies for being complaint-ready and managing the process effectively.
The importance of supervisory support and legal guidance.
Encouraging proactive preparation to mitigate the stress of potential complaints.
Managing Observed Skills Sessions [starts at 52:34 mins]
Throughout your counselling journey, managing observed skills sessions can be challenging. In this section, Rory and Ken discuss strategies to cope with the anxiety and overwhelm often experienced during these sessions:
Recognising that observed skills sessions are structured and not reflective of real client interactions.
The value of regular practice and preparation to build confidence.
Understand the assessment criteria and focus on key skills.
Utilise peer support and feedback for continuous improvement.
Encouraging self-compassion and realistic expectations during training.
Links and Resources
Susie Jamieson
Counselling Skills Academy
Advanced Certificate in Counselling Supervision
Basic Counselling Skills: A Student Guide
Counsellor CPD
Counselling Study Resource
Counselling Theory in Practice: A Student Guide
Counselling Tutor Shop
Facebook group
Website
Online and Telephone Counselling: A Practitioner's Guide
Online and Telephone Counselling Course
1 hr 11 min
February 22, 2025329 - Distinguishing PTSD and Complex PTSD
In Episode 329 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week's three topics:

Firstly in 'Ethical, Sustainable Practice', Rory and Ken discuss distinguishing PTSD and Complex PTSD, exploring the evolution of trauma therapy and the importance of understanding physiological responses in trauma-informed practice.

Then in 'Practice Matters', Rory speaks with Susie Jamieson about how to navigate client complaints effectively, sharing practical strategies and personal experiences to help therapists be complaint-ready.

And lastly in 'Student Services', Rory and Ken talk about managing overwhelm during observed skills sessions, providing tips for reducing anxiety and building confidence in counselling skills practice.
1 hr 11 min
February 15, 2025 Special Edition: Expanding Therapeutic Approaches with NHS Policies
In this Special Edition of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your host Rory Lees-Oakes speaks with Meg Moss from the National Counselling and Psychotherapy Society (NCPS) about how NHS policy design could support a wider range of therapeutic approaches.
28 min

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The Counselling Tutor podcast serves student counsellors and psychotherapists in training. Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly examine the theory and practice of counselling and deliver academic content in an easy to understand and fun podcast.