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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

Hi, I am here with kris gieske, he is a Strength and Conditioning Specialist here in Colorado Springs. he has dedicated his life to learning neuromechanics and biomechanics which give him the tools to help you reach the pinnacle of your performance. Working with the nervous system he can get results instantly and he loves seeing the changes that happen with my clients from decreased pain to increased athleticism and strength. here is the Highlights of the episode hope you enjoy. Listen to the full episode in your favorite podcast app.

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

And welcome to another special edition of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. I'm here in Denver, Colorado, and I'm talking to Kris Gieske, who is a strength and conditioning coach. He was a military vet who started his career helping to rehabilitate wounded vets as well. So I'm going to let him tell you a little bit about who he is and why we're here why we're talking.

Kris Gieske 0:37  

All right, well, my name is Kris Gieske our he said him, I am a strength conditioning coach. And I have a neurological background through Z health. And I got started in that through getting medically discharged military actually, to do a lot of back pain. A lot of hip pain, knee pain, shoulders, you know, different things like that. And the first time I went to this place called Life quest transitions, they had this big banner, right. And we're kind of almost voluntold to go have that term voluntold. So I went in there, I'm just like, okay, whatever. I don't know what this is all about. But they're talking about all this neurological training, and then doing a little bit of strength conditioning on top of that. And I met a friend and mentor of mine named Dr. Grove Hagen's. And he started just doing some ankle mobility work with me. And when I didn't have very much mobility in my back at the time, I could only bend, you know, just a few inches before I just had excruciating lower back pain. And after just doing a few like ankle drills, mobility drills, I was almost touching the floor. And for me, because I was like, there's no way that something so stupid could have worked so well, you know. And so over time, I started going there, and I got myself better. And I started feeling really good. And there's another program out there called the Mission Continues. And basically what they did is they let you volunteer, any nonprofit that give you a stipend. So I decided to start to work for life quest. And they allowed me to take the Z health certifications for free, which is amazing, because those are about two or three grand a pop, right, and being a veteran come out of the military, you know, you don't kind of spending money. So it's pretty awesome. And so then I started working there with a lot of veterans of PTSD and veterans that just weren't overall broken, because the military does what the military does, and breaks, you know, a lot of anti moving out of people getting really a lot of bad backs, knees, shoulders, and not only were able to rehabilitate them, you know, to go back to live with their families and cut their medications, like, by 80%, some of them Wow. But also, if someone got to return to duty, they didn't think they'd be able to return to duty. So that was pretty awesome.

Ari Gronich 3:06  

So, you know, being that you've been in the military, and then had to exit the military, due to medical, you know, issues and so forth. And we've all heard that kind of the system is broken, especially for vets. So what was your experience going through the VA programs, and trying to get yourself healthy? To where you weren't in so much pain? What was what was that experience? Like? What were the areas that you could see room for improvement? Let's say?

Kris Gieske 3:41  

Definitely, it's, it's like the normal medical system, right? You go in and they're like, here's some pain pills. You know, here's some end Said's, you know, or some anti inflammatories. And you take them and you don't feel any better and, and then all sudden, I just happen to stumble in this place called Life quest through a captain that was I was going through. It's called rear detachment. It's a special, you know, brigade that you're in as you're transitioning out. And he was like, hey, go check this place out. And I think there's a huge disconnect between, you know, not just like chiropractic, but also training, neurological training, there's a whole plethora of different modalities you can do to make yourself better that people don't realize exist.

Ari Gronich 4:32  

So, you know, what's your mission? Because, you know, really, this is all about having a platform for vets. And for, you know, really anybody who's suffering from pain and trauma and so on, to get results and get better. So, you know, what would be the things that you would say need to be fixed the you know, the solutions to some of These issues.

Kris Gieske 5:01  

So the solutions definitely is people that do like training, physical, you know, therapists and stuff like that, I think there needs to be better communication happens between trainers and that aspect, because I used to work for national Personal Training Institute, and the owner was like, hey, Ace just wants to know, what do you feel would be a really good, you know, type of program that they should start to implement. And I was like, you know, it'd be awesome if we could get personal trainers, strength conditioning coaches, corrective exercise specialist to be able to communicate a little bit better with doctors. So I think the communication, there is something that needs to be a little bit tweaked and fixed.

Ari Gronich 5:54  

Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about the way that that happens. Because you know, as I always tell chiropractors when I'm consulting with them is, you know, you need to train your massage therapist, and how to work with you how to work with their patients, in order to support what you're trying to do. Because if you get an adjustment, a half hour to an hour later, you're already back out of place. Because your muscles are controlling whether you're in place or not. So you got to train the therapist who's, who's there to support your patience, not just in a relaxation massage, but in how to specifically work on the anatomy that you need worked on, in order for you to get the benefit of the work you just did. Right? Yes, yeah. And that goes the same for being able to tell a personal trainer or a strength and conditioning coach or somebody like that. The same kind of thing. Okay, I have this patient here, who is not getting better from my treatments for three years, right? Yeah, maybe they need something different. And an add on, that doesn't mean not going to the chiropractor, or not going to the physical therapists or not going to the massage therapist, because this happens, no matter what the field is, right? The personal trainer doesn't necessarily want to send them to somebody else. The massage therapist, you know, thinks that they'll, they don't have enough money to work with both of them, you know, both them and somebody else. And so we're not doing the referrals, that really would get the patient better because of our own fears. Right? Yeah. So as as an audience member, you can kind of relate this to your experiences with being in treatment, being in pain, you go to first doctor, and they give you some pills, the pills don't work. So you have to go to somebody else. Did they? Did that doctor refer you to the other person? Or did you have to go find them through your friends and family? You know, what's the way that you got to them? And how do you know then that they're the ones that are going to be able to take care of your specific problem. And that's just an industry wide system wide issue, that it's really hard to educate a consumer or patient or audience on? Because it's can't be gotten to be incumbent upon you to really do your research on who you're going to. And it really should be a more of a referral system from one professional expert to another.

Kris Gieske 8:41  

Yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely. And you're talking about the fear thing, you know, for years, and I've never understood this Ari, like, for a long time, is that a lot of medical doctors will view things like chiropractic, like is almost Voodoo. You know, I'm saying like, that's a real stigma out there. Like even still, even though, you know, you'll get somebody that comes in, you know, just them they'll be out of pain and good. Or, you know, such as doing some of the stuff that I do with the brain training stuff. They're like, like, I've talked to a friend of mine, who's a orthopedic surgeon, you know, it's kind of like, brushes it off his video or whatever, but it's like, No, these, these are modalities that actually work and it's not like I've seen it with one or two people like I've worked with hundreds of patients, and all of them generally get something out of it.

Ari Gronich 9:36  

So let's talk a little bit about neuro mechanics and how they differ from biomechanics. And a little bit more about you know, how the brain because most people think I hit my thumb with a hammer, my thumb is throbbing. I am I have pain in my thumb. Yeah, right. This is the process in the brain, right? That the thinking brain goes through, I think, right? So what is the process and the actual body going through? Okay? And then what's the difference between the neuro mechanics, biomechanics? And those kinds of things, because what we want to give to the audience is things that they can learn that they can then start to do so that they can change their own world create a new tomorrow today for themselves.

Kris Gieske 10:25  

Absolutely, yeah. So the best way I get people to distinguish between their actual brain and the thinking brain, right, is I used to work with veterans, okay. So, my friend worked with this one guy, and he was bone off from the legs, you know, from the hip down, like he had no lower extremities whatsoever. And you'd be working with him, you'd be like, man, I just feel like my toes are being spread apart. Okay, this guy has no legs at all right? But what's still there? The map in his brain to that lower extremity, right? So another another way I can put this right, is if I had if you're a paraplegic, right, and I took a knife and I stabbed you in the leg, right? You just kind of look at me, like I was a jerk. You should write, but you would not feel any pain. Why? Because there is nothing going through your brain signaling to your brain, hey, something's going on. Right? And basically, what the brain does, is it does three things, right? It receives information, right? Then it or gets sent input right from your body, then it receives and decides what to do with it, and then it sends an output, right? And that output is either you know, I can move my hand through space and time, or how that hurts. Or, you know, glandular functions such as sweat, right? hearse are salivating. And if the input going in, is disrupted, right, it's going to send a poor output. Right? And basically, NZ have what they call a threat bucket. Right? So you have, you know, going through your day you have, you know, stress you have, you know, all these different things going in, right? Maybe bad movement patterns. And if you have enough of that nociceptor information going to your brain, right, detecting threat, you know, it's gonna say, I don't like this, I need this, you know, protect myself a little bit. And that's ultimately what pain is. It's a protective mechanism.

Ari Gronich 12:34  

I think that's an interesting thing for people to understand. Pain is a threat mechanism.

Kris Gieske 12:43  

Yeah, yeah, pain. I mean, your brain makes it makes you protects you, right? In a way it protects you is through pain. Right? It's almost counterintuitive. But if I had like, for instance, I'll take, for example, a guy that I've worked with, and he had rotator cuff surgery, and I worked with him after he was cleared with the physical therapist and everything. He just didn't have full range of motion. And he would get to hear right, and it would hurt. How, oh, right? Well, if he kept going there, what happens?

Ari Gronich 13:19  

It's kind of like a fly is in a cage, or a frog, in a cage jumping, jumping, hitting the ceiling, and then eventually, right doesn't want to go above this above that point. So you could eventually take away the ceiling, and you'll never run escape. Right?

Kris Gieske 13:38  

So what what eventually can happen as well as a pain loop, right? So people who are in pain can get really good at being in pain. So eventually, you know, it'll get to where you can't move here, and then you can't move in here, then you can't be here. So all we call do with him, right? Is I started doing just little motions, that didn't hurt, right? And then eventually it's like, oh, and he's able to go higher, and then higher and then higher, right? Because I reduce that threat to his brain. Right, that said, something's going on there. And I don't like it. Right? Because he was moving in pain free range of motion. That's okay. And, you know, there's obviously some strength instability that can be built up there too, as well. But ultimately, it's what's going on up here, right? How threatened isthis? 

Ari Gronich 14:25  

Right. And you know, the thing that they don't understand is happening is when they're going forward like that. your diaphragm is here, and your heart is here, your lungs are here, and you start crunching these down, you don't have as much deep ability to breathe deep. Your organs start getting crunched on and squeezed on and they can't function as readily and availably as normal function would be right. So, you know, everything is connected everything and we really need to get that you know, both For our physical bodies for the systems that we create, the environment we create, everything is connected. There's a great show series that I just watched on Netflix called connected. And it's all about how the world is interconnected. And it's a great series if anybody gets an opportunity to watch as you know, because it literally goes through like how the Sahara how the sand in the Sahara blows with the wind? And, and is the fertilizer basically has the nutrients and the whatever to grow all the plants in the Amazon. Oh, right. In I mean, South America, sand from here blows to there. How does the sand also help to stop hurricanes? You know, I mean, the interconnectivity of the universe and of the world of the earth of nature is so vast, yeah. And when we screw with it, like we've done in so many ways, and especially the last hundred years, when we screw with nature, nature will screw back with us. And we're, we've been getting the hard end of the screwing at this point. So is the money more important? Or is the screwing we're getting more important? Because we're allowing the screwing to happen for the gain of money, which is something we made up in our heads. Right? Something it's not so real, right? So I'm just giving you guys a little bit to think about your, you know what, we're going to end the call, you gave some great tips, Kris. Awesome. Where can people get ahold of you if they wanted to fly out to Colorado, and enjoy the snow and beautiful mountain air mountain

Kris Gieske 16:47  

there. So you can go to www.kgmaxfitness.com, it's kgmaxfitness.com. And you can find me there you can find our work and my phone and all that to schedule if you want.

Ari Gronich 17:03  

Sounds good. Thank you so much for being here. Kris, this has been another great episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And you know, just remember, the world is interconnected. What we do makes a difference and what we don't do makes a difference. And the things that we know are that our mind creates our movement, both emotionally, as well as physically. And if you want your mind and your emotions and your body to work in sync, and work more effectively and efficiently. Work on those visual keys. You know, work on that direction, work on your balance. You know, I have my son doing these great balance exercises like walking heel to toe on a straight line of the tile. He's six years old, we're building his balance up after a head trauma. Yeah, right. And it's difficult. You can try it. Go you know, look at a line on on your floor, a grout line or something like that. And heel to toe and try to walk on that straight line without falling over. And then he'll detail while looking forward, turning your head. See, again, some great, great tips. Anyway, thank you so much for being here. And this has been another episode. We are out

Hi, I am here with kris gieske, he is a Strength and Conditioning Specialist here in Colorado Springs. he has dedicated his life to learning neuromechanics and biomechanics which give him the tools to help you reach the pinnacle of your performance. Working with the nervous system he can get results instantly and he loves seeing the changes that happen with my clients from decreased pain to increased athleticism and strength. here is the full episode hope you enjoy. Listen in your favorite podcast app.

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies, if I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system wants to keep the status quo, if I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree, and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

And welcome to another special edition of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. I'm here in Denver, Colorado, and I'm talking to Kris Gieske, who is a strength and conditioning coach, he was a military vet who started his career helping to rehabilitate wounded vets as well. So I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about who he is and why we're here why we're talking. 

Kris Gieske 1:35  

Alright, well, my name is Kris Gieske as Ari said him I am a strength conditioning coach. And I have a neurological background through Z health. And I got started in that through getting medically discharged military actually, due to a lot of back pain, a lot of hip pain, knee pain, shoulders, you know, different things like that. And the first time I went to this place called Life quest transitions, they had this big banner, right. And we're kind of almost voluntold to go, you know, that term voluntold. So I went in there, I'm just like, okay, whatever. I don't know what this is all about. But they're talking about all this neurological training, and then doing a little bit of strength conditioning on top of that. And I met a friend and mentor of mine named Dr. Grove, Higgins. And he started just doing some ankle mobility work with me. And when I didn't have very much mobility in my back at the time, I could only bend, you know, just a few inches before I just had excruciating lower back pain. And after just doing a few like ankle drills, mobility drills, I was almost touching the floor. And for me, because I was like, there's no way that something so stupid could have worked so well, you know. And so over time, I started going there, and I got myself better. And I started feeling really good. And there's another program out there called the Mission Continues. And basically what they did is they let you volunteer, any nonprofit, they give you a stipend. So I decided to start to work for life quest. And there, they allowed me to take the Z health certifications for free, which is amazing, because those are about two or three grand a pop, right, and being a veteran come out of the military, you know, you don't care, spending money. So it's pretty awesome. And so then I started working there with a lot of veterans of PTSD and veterans that just weren't overall broken, because the military does what the military does, and breaks, you know, a lot of anti remove a lot of people getting really a lot of bad backs, knees, shoulders, and not only were able to rehabilitate them, you know, to go back to live with their families and cut their medications, like, by 80% of them, wow. But also, if someone got to return to duty, they didn't think they'd be able to return to duty. So that was pretty awesome.

Ari Gronich 4:03  

So, you know, being that you've been in the military and then had to exit the military due to medical, you know, issues and so forth. And we've all heard that kind of the system is broken, especially for vets. So what was your experience going through the VA programs, and trying to get yourself healthy? To where you weren't in so much pain? What was what was that experience? Like? What were the areas that you could see room for improvement, let's say?

Kris Gieske 4:38  

Definitely, it's it's like the normal medical system, right? You go in and they're like, here's some pain pills. You know, here's some and Said's, you know, or some anti inflammatories and you take them and you don't feel any better and and then all sudden I just happen to stumble in. So this place called Life quest through a captain That was I was going through, it's called rear deattachment. It's a special, you know, brigade that you're in, as you're transitioning out. And he was like, hey, go check this place out. And I think there's a huge disconnect between, you know, not just like chiropractic, but also training, neurological training, there's a whole plethora of different modalities you can do to make yourself better that people don't realize exist.

Ari Gronich 5:29  

So, you know, what's your mission? Because, you know, really, this is all about having a platform for vets. And for, you know, really anybody who's suffering from pain and trauma and so on, to get results and get better. So, you know, what would be the things that you would say, need to be fixed the, you know, the solutions to some of these issues.

Kris Gieske 5:59  

So the solutions definitely is people that do do like, training, physical, you know, therapists and stuff like that, I think there needs to be better communication happens between trainers, and that aspect, because I used to work for national Personal Training Institute, and the owner was like, hey, Ace just wants to know, what do you feel would be a really good, you know, type of program that they should start to implement. And I was like, you know, it'd be awesome if we could get personal trainers, strength conditioning coaches, corrective exercise specialist to be able to communicate a little bit better with doctors. So I think the communication there is something needs to be a little bit tweaked and fixed.

Ari Gronich 6:51  

Yeah, you know, I talk about this a lot. Actually, the I feel like, between the modalities, there's a language barrier. It's like speaking Spanish, and English, right? There's a language barrier there. Because doctor speak a specific language. chiropractors speak a different language, massage therapists speak a different language, physical therapists have different language, and personal trainers a different language. And you might say, Wait, this is the same body. So why so many languages, but it's the same thing as saying, an endocrinologist versus a proctologist versus neurosurgeon, right? There's so many different places that the rabbit hole sinks deep into. And so it's incumbent upon the training, in my opinion, to begin, and this is to all the schools out there any regulating body, you know, listen, listen to this advice, because it would be incumbent upon you, as the educators to educate these modalities in the language of the other people that would have added benefit to the patient. Right? Yeah, absolutely. That way, you can still specialize, but you have respect. And you can refer with knowledge.

Kris Gieske 8:18  

Yeah, absolutely. And then, you know, there's just some part of that, as well as just with our medic medical system, right. And with chiropractors, and you have the physical therapists, the if, you know, corrective exercise coaches, it's almost like sometimes they're just kind of turn off because they're so educated in medication and doing a steroid injection versus going, Okay, what's the movement dysfunction going on here? Because that's the main thing I look at, when somebody comes to my office, I watch how they come in, how they're moving, how they stand up, how they go, bend over, pick something up, and they could have, you know, all kinds of different movement errors, that, you know, a doctor would just look at them and go, Okay, well, let's have, you know, do this steroid injection or whatever. And then it was off and like, man, the pains right back. And I work at a chiropractic office right now. And, you know, I'll see some of these patients that come in, week in and week out, and then I'll take them in, I'll be like, hey, you've got a movement, you know, problem. It's not necessarily have a back issue. Right, right. You know, it could be you know, something going on with a thoracic that's not moving right? Or your si joints just not moving right as you walk, and you get that quick fix. But the pain comes back. Right?

Ari Gronich 9:36  

Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about the way that that happens. Because you know, as I always tell chiropractors when I'm consulting with them is, you know, you need to train your massage therapists and how to work with you how to work with their patients, in order to support what you're trying to do because if you get an adjustment A half hour to an hour later, you're already back out of place. Because your muscles are controlling whether you're in place or not. So you got to train the therapist who's, who's there to support your patients, not just in a relaxation massage, but and how to specifically work on the anatomy that you need worked on, in order for you to get the benefit of the work you just did. Right? Yes, yeah. And that goes the same for being able to tell a personal trainer or a strength and conditioning coach or somebody like that. The same kind of thing. Okay, I have this patient here, who is not getting better from my treatments for three years, right?

Kris Gieske 10:45  

Yeah,

Ari Gronich 10:46  

maybe they need something different. Yep. And an add on, that doesn't mean not going to the chiropractor, or not going to the physical therapists or not going to the massage therapist, because this happens, no matter what the field is, right? The personal trainer doesn't necessarily want to send them to somebody else. The massage therapist, you know, thinks that they'll, they don't have enough money to work with both of them, you know, both them and somebody else. And so we're not doing the referrals, that really would get the patient better because of our own fears. Right? Yeah. So as an audience member, you can kind of relate this to your experiences with being in treatment, being in pain, you go to first doctor, and they give you some pills, the pills don't work. So you have to go to somebody else. Did they? Did that doctor refer you to the other person? Or did you have to go find them through your friends and family? You know, what's the way that you got to them? And how do you know then that they're the ones that are going to be able to take care of your specific problem. And that's just an industry wide system wide issue, that it's really hard to educate a consumer or patient or audience on? Because it's can't be gun to be incumbent upon you to really do your research on who you're going to. And it really should be a more of a referral system from one professional expert to another.

Kris Gieske 12:24  

Yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely. And you're talking about the fear thing, you know, for years, and I've never understood this Ari, like, for a long time, is that a lot of medical doctors will view things like chiropractic, like is almost Voodoo. You know, I'm saying like, that's a real stigma out there. Like, even still, even though, you know, you'll get somebody that comes in, you know, just them, they'll be out of pain and good. Or, you know, such as doing some of the stuff that I do with the brain training stuff. They're like, like, I've talked to a friend of mine, who's a orthopedic surgeon, you know, kind of, like, brushes it off is Voodoo or whatever. But it's like, No, these are modalities that actually work. And it's not like I've seen it with one or two people, like I've worked with hundreds of patients, and all of them generally get something out of it.

Ari Gronich 13:19  

No, absolutely. And you know that that is, to me still the language issue, because they don't understand the language we're speaking even though it sounds the same as what they're saying. Yeah, right. But it comes across as, for instance, a medical doctor speaks in scientific lab terms, typically, while they don't give much credence to anecdotal evidence, only really to scientific evidence or lab evidence, right? chiropractors, massage therapists, physical therapists, in some cases, nutritionist herbalist, acupuncturist, etc. require a lot of anecdotal evidence, right. And so those two languages don't necessarily match. And therefore, because the science hasn't confirmed in a lab, that information, they don't know how to take it, necessarily. So, you know, again, it goes back to language and it goes back to the education. Yeah, and the system wide issue that that basically takes some people and turns them into a they're just right. He's just a personal trainer. He's just a massage therapist, you wouldn't say he's just a neurosurgeon. Right? Right, exactly. But why do we allow that to happen in our profession? Why do we allow that to be because We don't speak the same language as the people who are currently the most regarded. Yeah, profession, right. They think of another profession that's more highly regarded.

Kris Gieske 15:13  

There is no I mean, and I think it goes back to exactly what you said, education, you don't know what you don't know. And they're trained, and one way, right. And then you're training to completely different, you know, way, and they don't have the excellent knowledge that you have. And like you said, it's that communication, like, lost there. That happens.

Ari Gronich 15:36  

Yeah, absolutely. You know, that's why I say, you know, we can bridge these gaps. But we have to have these discussions in order to get clear on where those gaps are. Yeah. Right. Yeah. If we don't have, if we don't have the discussion about where the gaps are, then we don't know what we need to fill. Yeah. Right. So for you, for instance, when you go back to doing what you're doing, you might have a different perspective, from this conversation about how you speak to the doctor. Oh, absolutely. Right. Because you're going to be able to speak to them in a different way. And listen to this, if you're a personal trainer, or a massage therapist and alternative healthcare provider in any way, by learning the language of the people who have the respect, you will begin to get the respect of those people, which means that it will translate to the respect of your communities in general.

Kris Gieske 16:35  

Yeah. Right. Absolutely. It's funny that you're talking about, you know, going and opening that communication barrier, right. So about a week ago, I had a friend of mine, and she works for a physical therapist, you know, and she said, hey, my physical therapist wants to meet you, because I told her about all the awesome stuff that you've done, and you felt my shoulder so much, and I go, Okay, cool. So, you know, I get in there, and I expected I have a sit down, maybe a lunch, and she goes, No, go treatment room. I'm like, Alright, so this is gonna be a trial by fire. Right. So she goes, Well, Lacey's having a little bit of shoulder issues today, how would you fix it? So it's like, double barrels ready to go. There you go. Five minutes, you know, show me what you got kid. So I was like, okay, so I go in, and, you know, I just, you know, do a little bit of muscle testing on her shoulder, and she's like, yeah, that kind of hurts there. And I'm like, okay, and I just tend to do just, you know, motor map of her scapula just move or scapula, right, and just really get a good motor map and her brain of where that is.

Ari Gronich 17:36  

And before you go on, just tell him what a motor map is. So that,

Kris Gieske 17:40  

okay, so motor map is in your brain of where your joints are in space and time. And then in the full movement pattern of that joint, right. And if you don't have a good motor map of certain joint, it will start to cause nociceptors to go up to your brain. Okay? So what nociceptors are, is a lot of people think of them as pain receptors. But they're threat receptors, right? Because pain doesn't live in the body. It lives up here, there's in your brain. And basically, if you start to move that around, or move immobilize joint that's supposed to be mobile around your brain, then maps a little better. And then when it maps a better, a lot of times, threat will go down, which means pain will start to decrease, movement, flexibility starts to go up, and strength can go up. So I had her just do a little motor map with her scapula being able to just move only that single joint. And then I went to go muscle test again, boom, she was strong. She had no pain there. And she's like, Cool. Thanks. And that was my opening to that physical therapist is they were like, Okay, cool. Tell me more. So then I went on to go tell her more about, you know, the brain training stuff I do working with vestibular visual system, as well as you know, working with neuro mechanics, but also biomechanics. So I could speak her language a little bit as well.

Ari Gronich 19:02  

So let's talk a little bit about neuro mechanics and how they differ from biomechanics. And a little bit more about you know, how the brain because most people think I hit my thumb with a hammer, my thumb is throbbing. I am I have pain in my thumb. Yeah, right. This is the process in the brain, right there that the thinking brain goes through, and I think right, so what is the process and the actual body going through? And then what's the difference between the neuro mechanics biomechanics? And those kinds of things is what what we want to give to the audience is things that they can learn that they can then start to do so that they can change their own world create a new tomorrow today for themselves? Absolutely. Yeah. So

Kris Gieske 19:51  

the best way I get people to distinguish between their actual brain and the thinking brain right, is I used to work with veterans. Okay. So, my friend worked with this one guy, and he was bone off from the legs, you know, from the hip down, like he had no lower extremities whatsoever. And you'd be working with me be like, man, I just feel like my toes are being spread apart. Okay, this guy has no legs. All right, but what's still there? The map in his brain to that lower extremity, right? So another another way I can put this right, is if I had if you're a paraplegic, right, and I took a knife and I stabbed you in the leg, right? You just kind of look at me, like I was a jerk. You should write, but you would not feel any pain. Why? Because there is nothing going through your brain signaling to your brain, hey, something's going on. Right? And basically, what the brain does, is it does three things, right? It receives information, right? Then it receives or gets sent input right from your body, then it receives and decides what to do with it, and then it sends an output, right? And that output is either you know, I can move my hand through space and time, or how that hurts. Or, you know, glandular functions such as sweat, right? hearse are salivating. And if the input going in, is disrupted, right, it's going to send a poor output. Right? And basically, NZ have what they call to the threat bucket, right? So you have, you know, going through your day, you have, you know, stress you have, you know, all these different things going in, right. Maybe bad movement patterns. And if you have enough of that nociceptor information going to your brain, right, detecting threat, you know, it's gonna say, I don't like this, I need this, you know, protect myself a little bit. And that's ultimately what pain is. It's a protective mechanism.

Ari Gronich 21:59  

I think that's an interesting thing for people to understand. Pain is a threat. mechanism.

Kris Gieske 22:08  

Yeah, yeah, pain. I mean, your brain makes it makes you protects you, right? In a way it protects you is through pain. Right? It's almost counterintuitive. But if I had like, for instance, I'll take, for example, a guy that I've worked with, and he had rotator cuff surgery, and I worked with him after he was cleared with the physical therapist and everything. He just didn't have full range of motion. And he would get to hear right, and it would hurt. How, oh, right? Well, if he kept going there, what happens?

Ari Gronich 22:44  

It's kind of like a fly, that is in a cage or a frog, in a cage, jumping, jumping, hitting the ceiling, and then eventually, right doesn't want to go above this above that point. So you could eventually take away the ceiling, and you'll never escape. 

Right? So what what eventually can happen as well as a pain loop, right? So people who are in pain can get really good at being in pain. So eventually, you know, it'll get to where you can't move here, and then you can't move in here, then you can't be here. So always call I do with him. Right? As I started doing just little motions, that didn't hurt, right? And then eventually it's like, oh, and he's able to go higher, and then higher and then higher, right? Because I reduced that threat to his brain. Right? They said, something's going on there. And I don't like it. Right? Because he is moving in pain free ranges of motion. That's okay. And, you know, there's obviously some strength instability that can be built up there too, as well. But ultimately, it's what's going on up here, right? How threatened is this? Right? And if this is really, really threatened, it's going to go How can I shut this person down?

Wow, that's an interesting, interesting way of looking at the that particular science.

Kris Gieske 24:04  

Yeah, it's, it's it's pretty, pretty crazy, though. The way they teach in the health curriculum and everything. But the more you get into it's like, the more down the rabbit hole you go.

Ari Gronich 24:14  

Right. So how would you say like, I've trained a lot of Olympic athletes that seem to have a very high pain threshold. Right. So as a therapist, I was very proud to have my patients basically say it was the medieval torture chamber. And that the table was, you know, the rack, like my therapy table was the rack. And, and, you know, they felt like champions just getting out of off the table. Right, right. Because I you know, I learned a little bit about Indian you know, way religion and way of looking at things and to the Indians. They the ceremony. are hard so that life will be easier. So if you think about their ceremonies, things like sweat lodges and vision, classwork, no food, no water for four days, and Sundance is out in the middle of summer, right? Yes, they're difficult. ceremonies are hard. Oh, that's the same thing with, with how I figured therapy should be a little bit. Therapy should be so hard that when you're in competition, it's easy. You're just flying through the competition, you got no worries at all. You didn't have to do that for an hour. You just did that for you know, 20 seconds, right? or whatever, you know, like, like the time it is. And so

Kris Gieske 25:42  

I have seen some of your tables, things. I looked you up on YouTube and saw some of the AB work and I was like, oh, man,

Ari Gronich 25:48  

yeah, that AB routine is, I still have not found anybody who can beat that averaging. Oh, 

Kris Gieske 25:55  

my God.

Ari Gronich 25:57  

That is a half hour of ungodly torture that I put, so it's on YouTube, you could go check it out. Dominic Arnold, who is on this show, right? We did a video now mind you, I am about 120 pounds heavier, with long, curly hair. And, and I looked a little bit different. Dominic looks the same. Well, not the same as when he was competing. But you know, anyway, he was on this show. We have it on YouTube. So go check it out on on the YouTube channel. But there's an averaging it's 30 minutes long. And my challenge is to watch like the first five minutes and then try to do what's there. And then watch the next five minutes and try to do with there and see where it is that you are tortured to the point where your nociceptors Yeah, right. are firing threat and you're stuck. because very few that mean he you know Dominic is an Olympic champion, world record breaker, American record holder. I mean, he was an amazing Olympic athlete, right. And it tortured him to the point of no return. But he felt like, as he would say, I feel like Bruce Lee, I feel like a ninja when I'm done with I leave I feel like a gymnast.

Kris Gieske 27:26  

A Ninja,

Ari Gronich 27:27  

right. Yeah. All those things are things that help people, you know, they fit gymnast feel good. They're flexible. They're strong. They're right. Martial Arts artists. Strong. They're flexible. Right. That's how people want to be able to move. So try to do that, that that routine, but I'm intrigued. Yeah. You know. So I think that that getting that pain receptor up while you're in therapy?

Kris Gieske 27:56  

Yeah,

Ari Gronich 27:56  

I'm scaring people right now. actually helps to make it so that it doesn't go up when it's needed.

Kris Gieske 28:05  

I don't see everyone is in a bad mood. I'll see me making them faces.

Ari Gronich 28:10  

Exactly. But you know, what do you think of that concept that if you if you have this flood of nociceptors, and your body and your and you feel great at the when you're done, right? Because that's what the therapy does. You go through it, but you feel great when you're done.

Kris Gieske 28:27  

Yeah.

Ari Gronich 28:27  

So when you're in competition, your body is just going oh, this is easy. I can do this all day long. Right? No problem.

Kris Gieske 28:34  

Yeah. And which time was peaking? Right. Exactly. takes me to a peak. Right. And that has its place. Right. So tearing down muscle to build it up. Right, that has that definitely has a point in that, right. But there's also stages, right that you have to program around that as well. It's like, Okay, what days do I go in? And I just tear it down? Right? And then what days do I go? Okay, I need to back up a little bit, right? Because I can tell, you know, if my patient comes in, I can look at him and go, you're not ready to train heavy today. Right? You're, you're you got up off that couch really, really slow, right? I mean, they're there, you know, so as might be grabbing their back might be out or what have you from whatever happened during the week. And some days, you just have to look and you go, and that's that's the art about being a strength conditioning coach or a PT or whatever you want to be, is you have to know when to say go. And you have to know when to say no. Right? Right. So there's there's a point there to where you want to push them pretty well, right. But on top of that I can I can use a lot of neurological tools to help them perform even better, right than what they would have if they hadn't done some of the stuff that I do with them. Such as you know the motor mapping hips and ankles and everything like that. But another one that isn't really talked about too much, or I haven't heard very many other strength conditioning Coaches or personal trainers talk about his vision training. Right? And there's a huge science behind vision training now as well. Right? And, and to where can you, you know, look in a certain area or snap your eyes and snap right to a target. Right? And right. And if you can't write that's, that's another neurological issue. It's no neurological deficit that can send those receptors up the brain going, hmm, something's going on. I don't know what's going on. Right.

Ari Gronich 30:29  

So if you can't do this,

Kris Gieske 30:32  

if you can't snap

Ari Gronich 30:33  

three times fast, right? and land on the same spot, you might have a neurological disorder, or logical

Kris Gieske 30:42  

deficit, right? So I mean, it's very important, especially in things like football and baseball, if you think about it, right, something comes at you really quick, you have to look real fast and catch it right. And there was an amazing study done. And they took a football team, there's two different football teams, one, they just did complete, just strength conditioning training with him. The other one, they did about half visual and vestibular work, and half strength conditioning stuff. And what they noticed was, is that the people that did the vision training and vestibular stuff was that their injury rate was significantly less, right. Because not only is your eyes very, very, you know, important, not only to see peripheral stuff, right. But also before I step, right, it's very important to be able to see before I step, what they found with like, a lot of ACL injuries and stuff was like that, as people would step before they could snap their eyes. So, so a lot

Ari Gronich 31:41  

of ankle injuries, ankles. Yeah, a lot of ankle injuries. So number one, injury and all sports, ankle injuries. Number one injury and reason for showing up in an ER for just general citizenry, ankle injuries. The number one injury for showing up. And a lot of that is hand eye coordination. Yes, right. Yeah, a lot of that is the visuals. You didn't see that step that was right in front of you. And so you fell off the curb? Yeah. So to speak. Yeah. And twisted your ankle. So this is, you know, this visual mapping is really important. We learned a lot about visual mapping and NLP. Yeah. And in EMDR, and in REM therapy, rapid eye movement therapy, because we would trigger these different locations. But you know, I had a, I had a chiropractor friend in Beverly Hills, who was an amazing chiropractor, but he hardly ever did an adjustment of any kind, until he figured out where your brain was screwy. So he would do the muscle testing while you're looking up into the left, and then do the muscle testing again, when you look up to the right, I do down to the left down to the right, to the side to the other side, right. And then I doing that he would figure out exactly where in your brain that muscle was being shortened, or tightened, or turned, you know, the nerve turned into a pain signal. And I mean, he was incredible, interesting guy you would have liked. He had it. He had a tree growing in the middle of his office. That's great. Like they built the building around the tree. No, it was frickin awesome. That's amazing.

Kris Gieske 33:34  

Wow. So yeah, building off the visual that he was talking about with the muscle testing was interesting is when we find ourselves in a day and age, right? with COVID. Right, everybody's in front of their computer for hours at a time. Or people who work at home on zoom calls all the time. I had a patient that came in with a ton of shoulder pain, right? Not only does that posture, you know, deviate, you know, shoulders and all that stuff. But no matter what I did, I couldn't activate your lats. And I'm like, What is going on? I cannot get harassed to fire. So I was like, Okay, let's do a little bit of visual work. I know it seems a little weird, but let's, let's just go there. So I had to look in certain positions. And sure enough, just doing a little bit of training a little bit of isometrics that lat fired really hard where I couldn't even pull it out. Wow. I was like, Okay, so here's some drills for you to do. And some of them were just isometric stares, just, you know, take your finger and looking right, something is stupid and easy. Is that right? helped her function and fire so much better.

Ari Gronich 34:44  

Well, there are alternatives to your pain. You do not need the opioids, the end Said's, which really don't work much anyway. You can actually go to somebody who knows stuff. Right? So how would somebody find somebody like you? I'm not going to go to you yet because we're not done. But how does somebody find somebody like you? How do they learn that somebody like you exists when it's not being told by the mainstream, you know, medical system that you exist? Right? So how does somebody find somebody like you somebody like me, who is trained in so many different modalities? And if one tool in our toolbox doesn't work, we got 50 more that, yeah, can come out. Right, right. And then how do we get that message across to the mainstream medical system that we exist? More? How do we get people like you louder? Right, so that you can say, no uncertain terms, I'm here I exist. This is what I do. This is the benefit I give. And I'm open for business. Because, you know, the truth is, is that people will vote with their pocketbooks before they vote any other way. Yeah. And if somebody doesn't know you exist, they can't vote for you. Right. Right. So we need to get this message across more, especially in the mainstream medical system. But how do we get somebody like you talking this way to doctors? No, yeah, that's right. And how does somebody find somebody? Like you that has this kind of training?

Kris Gieske 36:32  

Yeah, that's that's the million dollar question. Isn't it true, our voices a little louder, that you know, have these alternate modalities that you don't have to rely on a lot of pain medication, and you know, the medical system forever, and injections and all kinds of things. There is actually, on the Z Health website, you can actually find trainers online. And you can look at your area and see which trainers you have and what they're certified in. Okay, so what website is that? So it's z health dotnet or.com, I believe. And you go there, and they haven't

Ari Gronich 37:04  

got the shirt, we got the shirt on for Z health.

Kris Gieske 37:09  

And you go there calm and there's a find a trainer link and you just put in your address. And you can find some that are around you. And they're a master trainer, if they have few certifications, like I've had three certifications I've been in so far. And with that, I mean, you just have so many more tools in your toolbox. You know, when you're in the room with another, you know, breather, personal trainer, or you know, strength conditioning coach, it makes you so unfair. Because all sudden, you're like, well, he's dropped a half a second off this dudes 40 time and like no time at all right? Yeah. And what was another funny stories? I was working. I've got one more for the visual system. We got time for that. Yeah, one more. Okay. So I work at a place called champion health, but they're birthplace of AR T, right? active release technique. And so they're soft tissue work all the time. They're, they're pretty well known. I don't know if you've ever heard of them. Yeah. And this here is a major triad font where I can't say his name because HIPAA stuff. But he had a really bad collarbone injury. And he's pretty much all rehabbed up, but he just had some more sticking stuff that was going on. And they did a tons of HRT on it, and it just wasn't working. And Dr. Wood finally came to me, he goes, I give up, what do you got? And I go, alright, let me see what I can do. So again, you know, I tried some motor mapping stuff that didn't work. And you know, I was just like, racking my brain. Okay. Let's do a little bit of, you know, peripheral work with him. So I just went around his peripheral vision and found just a few ticks. And like what you said earlier, if you can't do this, right, you might be in trouble. So I found those few ticks, I did some isometrics exactly where those were. And all sudden, he was like, That's amazing. Like he lifted his hand and head over hand over his shoulder after he just had hair treatment.

Ari Gronich 39:07  

Yeah, so I mean, I know how many people in this country suffer from frozen shoulder, especially because we're sitting on a computer doing this all day long, and our shoulders are basically locked in place. And then we go to sleep and we sleep under, you know, the shoulder under the pillow and goes to sleep when you wake up and can't move and it's frozen. So, you know, to be able to in like 5, 10 minutes. Yeah, get rid of somebody's frozen shoulder without having to rip them to shreds. Like, you know, we were trained. I was trained in a few different ways but one of the ways was a on the Asian modalities which is basically you just throw in a rip that sucker out of its frozen place, and then start moving it Yeah. And then rip it again and then start moving it you know, it's like this process of pain.

Kris Gieske 39:59  

Yeah. You know, I'm

Ari Gronich 40:00  

really not doing a good job here of promoting the benefits of, you know, seeing me, but if you're an elite athlete, it's alright. You don't mind. But no, I mean, this is just one of the modalities that we're training also, obviously, aka DK and some neurological work, but, you know, in 510 minutes, boom, yeah. If you have frozen shoulder, would it? Would that be worth flying out to see somebody, you know? Absolutely. Get rid of your frozen shoulder in a day, instead of somebody taking a year, two years, three years and not being able to knock that

Kris Gieske 40:42  

getting no progress that out no progress.

Ari Gronich 40:44  

So how often do you go to a doctor, a therapist, a chiropractor, whatever it is, and get no benefit? And maybe what you've got going on? is in your head. Yeah, but it's not in your head as like, fake. It's Yeah, this is an actual neurological neurological

Kris Gieske 41:05  

deficit that you have going on, it's sending something the brain that it doesn't like, right, so it's gonna protect you, in the best way knows how, hey, there's a lot of stuff going on here. Right? So let's keep that limited, because it's protecting. Right? So,

Ari Gronich 41:19  

you know, it's funny, a lot of the symptoms that people experience with ill health is really just the protective mechanism in general, to that thing that's going on that's causing the symptom to in the first place. So for example, you know, dementia is inflammation in the brain, and you have cholesterol that covers it up, that's called plaque. That's covering up the inflammation trying to, you know, squelch, yeah, the inflammation. And that locks your memory centers because of the plaque. But it's not the plaque. That was the issue. And it's not the dementia, that is the issue. That's just the symptom. It's the inflammation, right? Yeah. Which inflammation causes those nociceptors to fire? Like it will, which explains a lot of people with chronic illness and chronic pain, like fibromyalgia, things like that. So what do you do for somebody who, let's say they have MS, or they have Parkinson's disease, right. And now you're working on them to get better movement in their bodies. And you have this extra skill extra tool of the neurological work, so you can actually help them function with their brain better? What is that? Yeah,

Kris Gieske 42:45  

yeah, I was, I'm fortunate enough to be able to work with a couple MS patients, which is awesome. And then they're their hardest workers in the room. And my hat's off to him, because they still show up. Even when they're in so much pain, you know, I've, you know, I look at my life after that, I'm like, I've got no problem, you know, but they'll come to me, you know, and I'll just have them do, you know, just simple things to be able to move their, their spine around to, to do complex movements that you wouldn't normally do in everyday life. So that way, it creates what they call a little bit of neuroplasticity, right? So then that kind of opens up their motor mood a little bit. And also they're like, hey, I've got a little bit less pain now. Right? So like, for instance, I was working on today. And she just came in with like, excruciating, like lower back issues, right. So I just had her do, you know, some simple just mid line, mobile mobility, and working that around working in different angles, twisting, and then doing a little bit of thoracic gliding one way than the other way. And before you know what, she's still gonna see the Cairo after me, but she was feeling much better, you know, and she said, we have much more control. Well,

Ari Gronich 43:54  

the other benefit to that is that now when she goes to the chiropractor after you, he's going to be able to do that adjustment so much more effectively. And it's going to last so much longer. So that's where the collaboration between modalities has to come in has to it has to start being a part of the main stream thing that's happening in the industry, because otherwise, we're just kind of blowing smoke up the ass. Yeah,

Kris Gieske 44:21  

right. Yes. As that's one of the big things. That mean, the docs that work there, we work really well together, you know, and they'll introduce me, you know, they'll just be like, Hey, can you show how to foam roll? And I'll just take a few minutes to be like, hey, do you mind if I, you know, watch you walk or whatever? And, yeah, sure, you know, and I'll be like, Okay, let's do a little bit of this. And then it's like, hey, do you want to come and do an assessment? Yeah, sure. Right. So that's kind of the handoff happens because doctor wouldn't knows what I can do, but that's just as soft layup and I was like, Okay, let's give it a try, because she's coming in Week after week. And we're the same issue.

Ari Gronich 44:57  

Right? And I would rather it be the versus a soft handoff? I'd rather it be a prescription pad. Yeah, that gets taken care of through the right health care system. Yeah, that we, that we create, right? Because the point of this is that you're better than a prescription medication.

Kris Gieske 45:21  

Now,

Ari Gronich 45:22  

you're going to get the job done faster, it's going to produce less waste, right? Yeah, less times in the office less ability for fraud to happen, right? Right. Because the outcome would be more important than the procedures done, yes, after the amounts of procedures done. So if the outcome is important to you, as a patient, or as a therapist, or as a doctor, then you really need to, you know, listen to this way of thinking. And I, you know, I talk like this, sometimes I get into my, my preachy mode. But the truth is, is that if you don't, more patients are going to be in pain, more patients are going to be addicted to drugs, more patients are going to be wondering where they're, you know, where they're going to find relief, they're going to be suicidal, they're going to be depressed, because pain causes that in your chemistry, we know this, it stresses you out, which causes other kinds of diseases like heart disease, and, you know, so on, yes, presses on system. So in general, we need to build a healthcare system, that's not just designed the way that it is, and maybe tweaked a little bit, but redesigned to function more. And that includes incorporating modalities like yours modalities, you know, a chiropractic corrective exercise, you know, especially exercise for special needs, right. Because how many personal trainers, for instance, really know how to treat somebody who comes in with diabetes? Who comes in with MS who comes in with Parkinson's?

Kris Gieske 47:07  

Yeah, there's not many out there, right? They're kind of lost in the sauce a little bit. And they're just like, I guess we'll do this. And then they'll watch them do a movement pattern, but they won't know how to fix it,

Ari Gronich 47:17  

right? Or they'll, you know, do a few treatments, or a few sessions, few treatments, and all of a sudden, they won't see him forever. Because they got injured, and they didn't want to tell them they got injured doing that movement. Right, right. So it's incumbent upon all of us in the industry to start coming together and having these kinds of conversations, so that we can change the system so that it works more effectively and efficiently, so that our patients have a longer more joyful life. Right? Yeah, absolutely. So let's just, you know, talk about, about maybe three to five things that the audience listening, if it's a doctors listening, can do in order to change their own pain levels, their own issues, so that they can be more focused and really create a new tomorrow today, in themselves some actionable steps that they can do.

Kris Gieske 48:17  

That's how they can like communicate with other trainers and stuff like

Ari Gronich 48:20  

that, or exercises that they can do or something that they can actualize? You know, really, today, tomorrow to take away the pain, whatever it is,

Kris Gieske 48:31  

yeah, so there's, there's lots to the balance. And not just standing on a single leg, right? But also incorporating, you know, head and visual movements, right, being able to stare at an object and move your head around, because then that gets in your inner ear, right? And gets that vestibular system activated. And what people don't know if you don't know what the vestibular system is, right? It's your main balance system. Like it's your master control of what your body is doing. And being able to just sit there and be on one leg, two legs, tandem stance, and be able to move your head around all staring at an object. That's that's one of the big ones that we take away with the PCI cases, right? right brain injury, right? Because they don't know because their brain can lie to them. And they'll have like a little bit of midline shift, and they won't even know it. And that's why they bump into things. And then they can't close their eyes and stand up right without falling over is because that's all out of whack. So if you're normal, and you just have a little bit of pain, and you do some of that stuff, sometimes that can also bring threat levels away now. Awesome. Yeah. And then there's other things that you can do if you're, you know, just on the computer for a long time, and you know, your eyes get really strained. I mean, an easy drill is called a soft gaze. And what you do is just put your finger up, and you stare your finger, but you also see your peripheral vision around so it's not Like hard stare, so it's just kind of soft, but I can see right now I can see the green screen, I can see the table over there. Right? I can see below and above, right? And oftentimes people are like, wow, I can I can read a little bit longer now without falling asleep. Right? Right, because their eyes are so strained. And then another one is just, you know, move your body man, like, in ways that you wouldn't think to move it such as like doing a thoracic if you can't sit up and just slide back and forth, without moving your hips. You know, that's something that can also be beneficial to you to be able to move that through acid arounds, that lumbar doesn't have to do so much work.

Ari Gronich 50:44  

Awesome. These are some, some really good tips. I like the muscle confusion. And you know that that term is been used in in bodybuilding. Kind of, you know, haphazardly, I guess. But muscle confusion is doing anything that anything physically that confuses the kinesthetic system. So if you're used to walking straight, and at the same pace, just doing something like lengthening your stride, or shortening your stride confuses the muscles, and causes them to shift their behavior, so to speak. So you can fix ill gotten patterns. For instance, if you're if you're walking and your feet are like this, instead of like this, right, or like this pigeon toed or duck Toad, right? If you start to focus on your feet, and where your feet placement are, that's a muscle confusion that also works in your neurological system and start ending that process of pain signaling to your brain. Right?

Kris Gieske 51:50  

And that's, and that's where the muscle confusion comes from, is basically it's it's your brain, it's, it's nothing to do with your actual muscle system, right? it's to do with how your how your brain is mapped to your body. So some people can't, you know, just do this, right, they can just only move their, their thoracic spine, and what they call that M, and z or whatever is called as neuromuscular amnesia, their brain just forgot how to do it. Right? And all sudden, they start to do it again. And they're like, hey, it's weird. I have more flexibility in my hamstrings now that I can, you know, you know, move in certain ways for some reason. And then the feet you mentioned is huge. That's, that's one of the biggest ones that we get from veterans too. Because when you're a vet, right, what are you in all the time?

Ari Gronich 52:42  

boots,

Kris Gieske 52:43  

boots, right boots, your ankle is just very, very immobile. So when you first start to do like, such as like an ankle tilt to the side, right, so it's just kind of like if this is your ankle here, and you just kind of tilt it and start putting more pressure and more pressure on it. And that's one drill I give a lot of my athletes who roll their ankles all the time, is because what happens? Why do people get sprained ankles?

Ari Gronich 53:06  

No flexibility in their ankles that Yeah,

Kris Gieske 53:08  

they've gone somewhere that they haven't been before really fast. And the nervous system is right, in the sense that Golgi tendon organs like, Okay, I'm going to activate the circuit breaker here. And you're gonna be in a lot of pain. Right? Right. So, you know, after doing a lot of mobility, especially with a lot of veterans man and seeing how much more strength and power and flexibility they got after that, but also when they first start doing it, they cramp like crazy, because they're not used to doing it.

Ari Gronich 53:43  

Yeah, then you got to get them pickle juice. Yeah. But yeah, you know, I had a, when I was in gymnastics, I was three when I started gymnastics. I was I was a gymnast for eight years. Not as good as my brother who was almost to the Junior Olympics, like missed by three people, I think. But I was still, you know, I was competitive just wasn't as good as he was. And I would cramp a lot. And I would have all these, you know, different injuries. Yeah. And what ended up happening is we had our coach who did a ring routine. And I liked doing rings. I was really good at iron crosses, and things like that. And so, so I really was paying attention. And he did a dismount and landed with both of his ankles turned out. And he pops right back up. Now. I mean, mind you, he did a double flip off the rings and landed. It's a soft mat, but not that soft. That's right. But he landed his ankles turned completely out. And he said, This is why we train ankles every day. Yeah, right. But I've never heard anybody else. ever say that. Yeah, that I've trained with and baseball or any other sport tennis. Nobody ever said let's train here. ankles, right? No other therapists that I ever went to said that we got to train your ankles. Right. Right. You're like actually the first person other than me, I think that has ever said, I train people's ankles. I give them ankle drills. Yeah, absolutely. And it's one of the most important functioning things that you can do. Because your ankles, if you think about it, how your feet land, is your foot lands. And your ankle takes the shock that moves up to your calf and then your knee taking the shock and then moves up to your hip taking the shock, right, so you have all these different shock absorbers on the way Yeah, in the kinesthetic movement. If you take out the ankles, all of that shock goes straight to your knees, and your hips, right. So just turn your feet out and then bang on them or have somebody bang on your feet when they're turned out sometime. And all you're going to feel is your tibialis runners who get shin splints all the time, this is the biggest issue that they have is their their feet are turned out or turned in slightly. And all and they're putting all that shock. Yeah, right onto their tibia

Kris Gieske 56:11  

right there.

Ari Gronich 56:13  

And it causes the SAP and so if you're a runner out there, you just got a good tip, work on your gait, work on your your foot placement, and you're probably going to get rid of that shin splints.

Kris Gieske 56:24  

Yeah, and another reason why it's so important to map out those ankles. Right? Is Yeah, have you ever heard the human culus? Yes, right, the motor homunculus in a sensory humility, this, you know, it's this thing with like big lips and big hands, and big feet, right? And it's because it kind of represents of how much your brain it takes up. And your feet take up a lot of space, just like your eyes and lips and hands, right. So if you don't have a good map of those, you're going to cramp. You're gonna you know, get all that, you know, shin splints stuff going on. And you're going to have like knee issues. I've seen SI joint issues from it, right? It has somebody I'm like, hey, walk down and back and there, si there, right? One might be a little bit locked up. And I'll be like, okay, let's, let's do a little bit of ankle movement, right with your right ankle and do a little bit of, you know, toe polls and things like that. And they'll be like, okay, okay, this is kind of weird, but I'm like, Okay, now I'll come down back to it. That feels so much better.

Ari Gronich 57:19  

I know. It's crazy. It's crazy. I took four tenths of a second off of somebodies track time. Yeah. In under 10 minutes by working on his feet and ankles. Yeah. Like you're you're running. You're landing on them all day long, four or five hours a day. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So don't you think that they should be worked on and he had a foot thing? This is where I find I find things really funny. Yeah, leads now getting in the weeds. He had a foot thing. He didn't like his foot being touched or seen or whatever. I'm like, I don't care. I'm like, Can you can you live with it for this moment? Right. And he did he put up with it. And he went, oh my god. Yeah. I never felt like this. One of my other guys like Atlanta. Braves pitcher, right. Retired. I work on his feet. And we're at a PGA Show like PGA Merchandise show. Yeah, right. And I get done working on his feet. He said it felt like a bullet hole had gone through his foot. Oh, right. He comes back the next day. And gets another session. He said, If I had this when I was still playing, it would have added 15 years to my career. Now if you're a baseball player, your pitcher on? He was Braves during the legacy pitching dynasty. Yeah, right with maddix and Glavine and smalls. And I mean, he was one of those Yeah. And add 15 years to that career.

Kris Gieske 58:57  

Oh, man,

Ari Gronich 58:58  

in just the money that they make, you know, if you're an athlete out there, millions, the stuff that somebody can do for you that's outside of the box of what happens inside your organization is incredible. Yeah, like the ability that you have once you go outside of your organization, and find a therapist who really knows their stuff, right is that YouTube could be a world champion. You know, really, I mean, that's, that's the thing. And for you who are just somebody who's having so much trouble getting out of your car, I use this analogy a lot, getting out of your car, walking down a parking lot and through an entire grocery store. Without being in pain. If that's you, this is the kind of treatment that you really want to get. Not taking the pills not getting addicted to the opiates. Yeah, and staying with the painful issues that you have. Right, but really getting some kind of therapy that that is good and one day, and and really it's up to you guys a lot to push this on to your senators and governors and so on is one day it's covered. It's not an extra expense, because you're seeing a specialist. Right? It's just included in, we want you to be healthy, because that's the way of being an American is to be healthy country. The Healthy military. Yeah,

Kris Gieske 1:00:27  

right. Absolutely.

Ari Gronich 1:00:29  

I want one last thing, because you work in the military line I get stuck on on wanting to change systems. You know, this is this is the premise of my whole show is we have these systems that are broken, that aren't working, and we want to shift them and change them. So yeah. You know, on the military front, the military doesn't train their at their soldiers to be injury free. Right? They don't have corrective exercise specialists working with them during boot camp. No, right? These are places that we can make a difference. So if you're working with VA, if you're working with that, so if you're working with PTSD, if you're working with any of these organizations, if you're a senator or governor, you know, this are the people that you want on your team. Because we don't want our vets but let me ask you a question. Do you think that it's easy these days to find somebody who could put on a hook sack right now and have it 10 miles through a jungle? Oh, man. Right. Yeah. And then run away from somebody and still have enough where with all and energy and physical, you know, ability to be a soldier? Yeah, this is one of the things like for public safety, and the safety of a nation to not have good health. Right, and to not be physically able to function. Yeah, to where you can put on a sack. You know, that's 40 to 70 pounds. Yes. And, you know, walk around through a jungle all day long.

Kris Gieske 1:02:12  

Yeah. we've,

Ari Gronich 1:02:14  

we've got an issue that we have as a national security issue, the health care of our nation.

Kris Gieske 1:02:20  

Yeah, absolutely. Health care, and then, you know, looking at, you know, the military boot camps to bring these kids in, right? You're not dealing with the same animal that you had 1960 right. Now, you're dealing with a much bigger animal, right? And then you're asking them to run, you know, three to five miles right? out the gate. You know, and you got some guy huffing and puffing, I mean, his, you know, body just cannot take that punishing it. Right. And, and a little bit of vetting, there's pry needed, but you know, as well as there's no really poster chain involvement in any of the exercises, right? Everything is anterior, everything's push ups, everything's set up. So everything's, you know, hump and everything is

Ari Gronich 1:03:01  

said, that means everything is in the front of your body, not in the back of your body. So posterior is back to your body. anterior is the front of your body. So just in case, yeah, you know, people didn't, didn't know what that match that, right. So pushing versus pulling, right. So everything is a push movement in the military. And most of the instabilities come from not having a strong posterior. So when you do balance, those kinds of exercise routines, you get people moving forward. Right. Yeah. And eventually, they end up looking at their toes when they're 80 years old. Yeah. Right. Because they can't raise their body. Yeah. And you know, you've all seen old soldiers. Yeah. Right. And they, they're, they started here, you know, yeah. But then when you see them, they're either here, or they're down further, or they're arching down, because that's what happens to the body when you only are working,

Kris Gieske 1:04:02  

that anterior, here, everything starts pulling. And then another, you know, if you're talking about, you know, national emergency, you know, I'm seeing, you know, kids nowadays, their posture is horrible. You know, the way they're sitting and all that is, again, in the front of the body, everything's anterior. Right? So they have the zoom class, right? That they're on, and they get on their tablet, right? And again, their phone and their text, and they're always in this position, right? And you see him like this. And then you see their feet turned out and they're in their knees out a call to no asset or syndrome. They have no but they have no back most everything is just so crunched forward. And that just brings out a whole other host of issues and movement problems and patterns that come into fruition later in life toy. They're like, Oh, this is in pain all the time.

Ari Gronich 1:04:52  

Right. And you know, the thing that they don't understand is happening is when they're going forward like that. You're dying. for him is here, your heart is here, your lungs are here, and you start crunching these down, you don't have as much deep ability to breathe deep, your organs start getting crunched on and squeezed on and they can't function as readily and availably as normal function would be, right. So, you know, everything is connected everything. And we really need to get that, you know, both for our physical bodies for the systems that we create, the environment we create, everything is connected. There's a great show series that I just watched on Netflix called connected. And it's all about how the world is interconnected. And it's a great series if anybody gets an opportunity to watch as you know, because it literally goes through like how the Sahara how the sand in the Sahara blows with the wind? And, and is the fertilizer basically has the nutrients and the whatever to grow all the plants in the Amazon. Oh, right. In I mean, South America, sand from here blows to there. How does the sand also help to stop hurricanes? You know, I mean, the interconnectivity of the universe and of the world of the earth of nature is so vast, and when we screw with it, like we've done in so many ways, and especially the last hundred years, when we screw with nature, nature will screw back with us. And we've been getting the hard end of the screwing at this point. So is the money more important? Or is the screwing we're getting more important? Because we're allowing the screwing to happen for the game of money, which is something we made up in our heads, right? Something it's not so real, right? So I'm just giving you guys a little bit to think about your, you know what, we're going to end the call, you gave some great tips, Kris. Awesome. Where can people get a hold of you if they wanted to fly out to Colorado, and enjoy the snow and beautiful mountainair.

Kris Gieske 1:07:15  

So you can go to www.kgmaxfitness.com, it's kgmaxfitness.com. And you can find me there you can find our work and my phone and all that to schedule if you want.

Ari Gronich 1:07:30  

Sounds good. Thank you so much for being here. Kris, this has been another great episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And you know, just remember, the world is interconnected. What we do makes a difference. And what we don't do makes a difference. And the things that we know are that our mind creates our movement, both emotionally, as well as physically. And if you want your mind and your emotions and your body to work in sync, and work more effectively and efficiently. Work on those visual keys. You know, work on that direction, work on your balance. You know, I have my son doing these great balance exercises like walking heel to toe on a straight line of the tile. He's six years old, we're building his balance up after a head trauma. Yeah, right. And it's difficult. You can try it. Go, you know, look at a line on your floor, a grout line or something like that. And heel to toe and try to walk on that straight line without falling over. And then

Kris Gieske 1:08:46  

heel to toe. Looking forward, turning your head if that's too easy.

Ari Gronich 1:08:51  

Exactly. See, again, some great, great tips. Anyway, thank you so much for being here. And this has been another episode we are out. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Kris Gieske 0:00  

And I met a friend and mentor of mine named Dr. Grove Higgins and he started just doing some ankle mobility work with me. And when I didn't have very much mobility in my back at the time, I could only bend you know, just a few inches before I just had excruciating lower back pain. And after just doing a few like ankle drills, mobility drills, I was almost touching the floor. And for me, because I was like, there's no way that something so st*pid could have worked so well, you know. And so over time, I started going there and I got myself better, and I started feeling really good.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome to a special live edition of creative new tomorrow. I am your host Ari Gronich. And I have with me this amazing writer and nutritionist Kelly haugh. Kelly, why don't you tell the crowd the audience a little bit about yourself? 

Hi, I'm Kelly. And I'm a certified health and wellness coach. And I really specialize in helping people with stress and anxiety, gut health issues and how they're all connected. Going back a little ways how what kind of sealed the deal for me was really my daughter who has autism. My daughter is she just turned 14. And so it's basically been a 12 and a half 13 year Trek. With her with finding out she had leaky gut dysbiosis a lot of gut issues going on, that were affecting her behaviorally, as well, as you know, she just didn't feel very good.

So how did you find out that there was a connection between her emotions and how she was feeling and acting, and gut health?

Kelly Haugh 1:17  

So when we when we first learned that she had the gut health issues going on, along with her autism, you know, autism was new to us at the time, we didn't we weren't familiar. But we found out kind of quickly, then that really, most kids with autism have a lot of gut issues. And whether it's the chicken in the egg, you never know. But so we really researched and thought out what could we do for her to help improve her health and her behavior? More, you know, than just, she, she's kind of stuck with this.

Ari Gronich 1:57  

So what were the benefits that you guys have seen based on changing diets and plans with her.

Kelly Haugh 2:05  

So I'm definitely behavior she will be, you know, in a much better mood, as well as she sleeps better. And also, she has a seizure disorder. And when we did like a modified keto diet for her and added in some supplements that were really good for gut health, once her got was more in order of those seizures really started going down, which was great, because they're terrifying.

Ari Gronich 2:31  

Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. What about this standard American diet? I mean, think about it, you're if you're talking to people who are eating that standard American diet on a regular basis, they probably don't really know what exactly about that plan. And about that system is so broken, so why don't you enlighten the audience about what about that system is really broken?

Kelly Haugh 2:58  

Right. Okay. So I would say the first thing would be like chemicals, chemical added preservatives, additives, food coloring, food dyes. neurotoxins really basically for for people. And so when we're talking that it's, you know, you're talking, you know, Doritos, the nacho cheese Doritos, and you know, pop and all those things and, and, you know, really, in my opinion, diet pop is even worse than regular pop. If you really want some pop out a little bit of regular instead of adding an even more chemicals and additives.

Ari Gronich 3:34  

Yeah, I would even go further and say find the soda if you're going to have soda. That is either got cane sugar, yeah. And it's or, you know, or monkfruit. There are some some keto sodas, I guess that are coming to the market, right, that have no sugar, but they're not artificial sweeteners either.

Kelly Haugh 4:00  

Yeah, even stevia, stevia soda, you know, no, we want to steer away from all that. But if it's somebody who you know, they drink a six pack of coke a day, you're going to be hard pressed to tell them, you have to stop having that completely, you're gonna have to kind of back them off and like you say, then you can replace it a little bit with some of these other things.

Ari Gronich 4:20  

So talking about the fact that there are no essential carbs. Because I think two people think especially based on the food pyramid that they've been indoctrinated one, yeah, that carbs are the most important thing in your diet. Right. So the fact that there's no such thing as an essential carb might be an interesting fact for some people.

Kelly Haugh 4:44  

Sure. Right. Because if you think of is that standard pyramid that we've seen for ages, right, really, that thing should be tipped upside down, you know, basically, yeah, carbs in the form of leafy vegetables and you know, Sweet potatoes and things like that those are fine and dandy. But yeah, lots of the white, all the white stuff, the refined carbs, you know, full of gluten, and then just turn straight to sugar in your body. 

Ari Gronich 5:12  

Right? So I've talked a lot about gluten. And the fact that gluten itself is a poison, and you may not be gluten intolerant to the level that some people are, but everybody is in, you know, against an inflammatory response. Absolutely gluten. So why don't we talk a little bit about gluten and what they do grains and what they do and why the fallacy is there that grains are so important, and so on.

Kelly Haugh 5:42  

Right? So I love that, um, I did actually talk about that a little bit in my book about gluten. And, you know, it makes some people sad to even hear that, but it's really not good for anybody, right? I mean, you know, yeah, some people are way more tolerant of it. But as it builds up in your system, it's really not good for you. It's not good for anybody. And especially because anymore, you know, most any wheat, therefore, gluten, you're going to get a hold of is going to be GMO. So you're going to have the glass of fate in there full of pesticides, you know, very bad for your whole digestive tract.

Ari Gronich 6:21  

Right. So most people don't really understand what gli sulfate is, or what roundup does to, to food and what it means. What genetically modified means really, they don't understand, necessarily, the whole nature of what genetically modified is, and what the difference between hybridization and genetically modified. So can you talk a little bit about that?

Kelly Haugh 6:45  

Sure. Um, so yeah, and the GMO in the seeds themselves, they genetically modify those actual seeds. And so even though they may not have already sprayed something on it, as it's grown, they haven't come back by and sprayed, it's already in there, you are not getting rid of that. It's a part of the plant. And so no amount of rinsing it is going to get rid of it. 

Right. So here's my problem with with grains. And this, this is a general issue with with grains, is that let's, let's say, take the scenario that we're taking a mineral supplement and trying to get the minerals right in our bodies, right? And then we eat whole grain bread, because it's marketed as, as healthy or healthier alternative. Right? Right. So those grains absorb minerals, right? And then pass them through you to where you don't get to absorb the minerals, because they're very spongy. If you look at you know, look at a piece of bread, look at a piece of, you know, Crumb Cake, any of those kinds of things. They're kind of spongy cakes, breads, pastas, spongy, spongy, absorbs it's absorbent. Right? Right, we can, we can all kind of get with that. And so if you're taking a mineral supplement, while you're also eating breads, and glutens, and carbs, and grains, you're literally flushing down all of the money that you're putting into those mineral supplements. You're flushing that down the toilet. Right? Right. Yeah. So this is just one of the reasons why, you know, if you're, if you have mineral deficiencies of any kind, like iron, and you're anemic, if you have insulin issues, if you have, you know, those are all because of mineral deficiencies, right. And so, eating the bread doesn't necessarily equal a good, healthy, right response to the other things that you might be doing. It actually might harm that response, even if you're not getting a massive inflammatory response to where you recognize it. Correct. Yeah.

I agree. And, and especially to with the, if you're saying somebody who has a blood sugar issue or an insulin issue, they really, they shouldn't be eating bread Anyway, you know, that? That's not that's very counterproductive. Right. So, you know, on many levels, yeah.

Ari Gronich 9:31  

Right. So, you know, give it give a few recommendations on what it is that you'd like to see happen within the systems like, if you're talking to a government employee right now, which I love talking to government employees that have control over whether they're about to be able to put more chemicals in our environment. Our last slide? Yeah, right. So I love talking to the government officials. But let's say we're talking to some government officials right now. We're giving them some solutions to the ills of bad health and the systems of agriculture that we're going through currently. Right? What are some solutions that you would suggest?

Kelly Haugh 10:16  

why that's a big one, isn't it? Absolutely. I know. What I don't know is if they're if they're going to listen in it, it does depend on right. Who is it? What What is their lobby toward? What's their propensity? But what what do I think could be done? I mean, definitely don't let anything else get added. That is bad for us. Absolutely. And I don't know, because it is such a deep pocket issue, if you're going to get that reversed on the whole GMOs and the whole seeds and everything like that. That's tough. But maybe they could be touting organic foods, maybe they could, you know, be that could even be part of, if not part of the new food pyramid, even if it could just be they could, at least as a public service message, talk about chemicals in the food and you know, eating organic or things like that. That wouldn't be that hard for them to do. But I don't know that they have a slant to do that.

Ari Gronich 11:21  

Right. So I'm an idealist. So I believe that anything is possible. Sure. As long as enough people force it to become possible. Right, right. Yeah. And so the things that I'm looking at being possible, for instance, let's say, is hydroponic gardens. Oh, yeah. local communities? Absolutely. Because you can control what is put in, you don't need the pesticides, right? Because it's a controlled environment. You can grow it year round. You put it into farmer's markets, you put it into high schools, you put it into elementary schools, and now all of a sudden you have free labor because you're teaching the kids how to grow food. Right? Right. So this is just one of many possible solutions. If you're in a big city, there are now skyscraper gardens.

Kelly Haugh 12:13  

Oh, yeah. Which is really

Ari Gronich 12:15  

exciting that feat that can feed an entire city, what it means because you can create, you know, different levels with different kinds of foods. So you have a lot of variety. And it's all Hydro and aeroponic. This is a solution to big cities. My favorite one I think my favorite one is in parks public parks. There's land Right, right. Yeah. So every other tree instead of being an oak tree, or a pine tree, which really doesn't do a lot for our health, right. We're for a food supply. Apple Tree, orange tree face, you know, different trees inside a park. That's your real fast food now. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah, you can pick the fruit off the tree. You know, if you're homeless, you have plenty of food to eat. Yeah. Right. could help doesn't solve a problem doesn't solve the homeless issue. But now, it at least gives them some food, they would have some food. Yeah, right. Right. You can, I was thinking like, I wanted to create a mass movement of people throwing berry seeds all over the freeways. You know, so the sides of the freeways are covered in fruit. I'm gonna we're gonna end this episode, because I think it's been a really great episode so far. Thank you, I'd like to end it on a good note. So give the audience three things that they are that's actionable, doable, easily available, ready for them that they can do right now. So that they can create a new tomorrow today for their own health and vitality.

Kelly Haugh 13:54  

Okay, so number one I go with if you're not taking a good pre and probiotics do that. It can either be in the pill form a good one, or some you can go out and get you a bag of sauerkraut if you don't want to make any kombucha, kimchi, any of those. So in any relevant that to get your good gut bacteria going better. Number two would be that cutting off or down on the sugar, refined carbs because that's going to help number one, those feed the bad gut bacteria. So you're feeding having a big feeding frenzy in there, and they squelching down the good. So those kind of go together but they're different. So cutting out that sugar and refined carbs, really important. And the other thing is, it's hard to narrow it to three, but stress is a huge cause of massive amounts of illness for people. So that chronic stress piece, do something to lessen your stress, okay, so whether that's you're going to meditate Even five minutes, you're going to just put on music you love and listen to it. You're going to you're feeling you know, totally stressed out, you're going to look in your environment, you're going to look around to see something pretty see something enjoyable. What do you what do you feel? Can you feel something that can distract you and calm you down? You know, you want to use the senses and engage the senses to get calm down a little bit. So those are a few just, you know, easy things people can do to add in, that will actually make a big difference.

Ari Gronich 15:30  

Awesome. Thank you so much for being here, Kelly. And you have a new book,

Kelly Haugh 15:36  

I do. I have any book out, I'm super excited about it.Mind, your gut,

Ari Gronich 15:43  

your gut. See if we can get this to pixelate properly,

Kelly Haugh 15:48  

many connotations to it minding your gut.

Ari Gronich 15:52  

Yes, it was given a little bit about what this book is about, and what they'll what people will get from from reading it. And then how they can go about finding it and finding you if they want to learn more.

Kelly Haugh 16:04  

Okay, cool. Thank you very much. Um, so you know, it's minding your gut powering up your immune system, your stress, resilience, and your mental wellness through your gut brain. So that whole gut brain piece, which is very important, I talk about the problem with chronic stress, anxiety, depression, I talk a little bit about science in the book. So people know, like, what is it all about? And why should I care. But then I make it very relatable with some stories. And so it has some great actionable tips as well, that people can use for distressing. So, yeah, they could go to mindyourgutbook.com. To find the book itself, you can order on there if you want to. And you can definitely read just a little bit more about the book and the journey and how it came came to be, or it is also available on Amazon now.

Ari Gronich 17:02  

Awesome. Anywhere else that if they want to get a hold of you they can find on social media.

Kelly Haugh 17:07  

So my website is manifestnaturalwellness.com. And I do have a Facebook group too, which is a it's on the back of this. It is stress busters, Inc. and then get a hold of me that by Awesome.

Ari Gronich 17:27  

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies, if I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system wants to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree, and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome to a special live edition of creating a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me, this amazing writer and nutritionist, Kelly Haugh. Kelly, why don't you tell the crowd the audience a little bit about yourself? 

Kelly Haugh 1:25  

Hi, I'm Kelly. And I'm a certified health and wellness coach. And I really specialize in helping people with stress and anxiety, got health issues and how they're all connected. I love hiking and being out in nature. 

Ari Gronich 1:43  

Cool. So how did you get involved in the health industry and especially in the nutritional side?

So I'm going back a little ways how what kind of seal video for me was really my daughter who has autism. My daughter is she just turned 14. And so it's basically been a 12 and a half 13 year Trek. With her with finding out she had leaky gut dysbiosis a lot of gut issues going on, that were affecting her behaviorally, as well, as you know, she just didn't feel very good.

So how did you find out that there was a connection between her emotions and how she was feeling and acting, and gut health.

So when we first learned that she had the gut health issues going on, along with her autism, you know, autism was new to us at the time, we didn't we weren't familiar, but we found out kind of quickly then that really most kids with autism have a lot of gut issues. And whether it's the chicken in the egg, you never know. But, um, so we really researched and thought out what could we do for her to help improve her health and her behavior? More than just, she, she's kind of stuck with this.

So what were the benefits that you guys have seen based on changing diets and plans with her.

So I'm definitely behavior she will be, you know, in a much better mood, as well as she sleeps better. And also, she has a seizure disorder. And when we did like a modified keto diet for her and added in some supplements that were really good for gut health, once her got was more in order, though seizures really started going down, which was great, because they're terrifying. 

Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. So what is it that you really want people to know about? When it comes to, you know, you as a health coach, as a person who deals with nutrition on a daily basis? What is it? What's the most important thing for people to know?

Um, you know, there's many very important things. But the thing that pops out in my head, when you say the most important, I would think, you know, get off that standard American diet, because that is really bad. It is the saddest standard American and it's sad for you, it really it makes you feel sluggish and gross. And, you know, you can't think clearly brain fog, all of that, um, and so we, you know, adding in, I always like to help people add in more and more good healthy foods, and then start, you know, slowly taking away the things that aren't that good for them. But that's a really important piece. And a lot of people don't realize that, you know, that can really affect their mood, and affect, you know, how well their brains functioning.

Absolutely. So, what about the standard American diet? I mean, like, think about it, you're, if you're talking to people who are eating that stuff, Hundred American diet on a regular basis, they probably don't really know what exactly about that plan and about that system is so broken. So why don't you enlighten the audience about what about that system is really broken?

Right? Okay, so I would say the first thing would be like chemicals, chemical added preservatives, additives, food coloring food dyes. neurotoxins really basically for for people. And so we're talking that it's, you know, you're talking, you know, Doritos, and nacho cheese, Doritos, and, you know, pop and all of those things and, you know, really, in my opinion, a diet pop is even worse than regular pop, if you really want some pop out a little bit of regular instead of adding it even more chemicals and additives.

Yeah, I would even go further and say find the soda if you're gonna have soda, that is either got cane sugar, cane sugar, or fruit, or some some keto sodas, I guess that are coming to the market that have no sugar, but they're not artificial sweeteners either.

Kelly Haugh 6:18  

Yeah, even stevia, stevia soda, you know, no, we want to steer away from all that. But if it's somebody who you know, they drink a six pack of coke a day, you're gonna be hard pressed to tell them, you have to stop having that completely, you're gonna have to kind of back them off, and like you say, then you can replace it a little bit with some of these other things. So um, you know, that's one thing, one aspect, right? So the chemicals, the preservatives, all those other things you're adding into your body that your body doesn't want, with the standard American diet, and of course, loads of carbs, you know, you're not getting more protein, more plants, all that type of thing.

Ari Gronich 6:57  

So talking about the fact that there are no essential carbs. Because I think that people think, especially based on the food pyramid that they've been indoctrinated like, yeah, that carbs are the most important thing in your diet. Right? So the fact that there's no such thing as an essential carb might be an interesting fact for young people. 

Sure, right. Because if you think of is that standard pyramid that we've seen for ages, right, really, that things should be tipped upside down, you know, basically, yeah, carbs in the form of leafy vegetables, and, you know, sweet potatoes and things like that. Those are fine and dandy. But yeah, lots of the white all the white stuff, the refined carbs, you know, for gluten, and then just turn straight to sugar in your body.

Right. So I've talked a lot about gluten. And the fact that gluten itself is a poison, and you may not be gluten intolerance, to the level that some people are, but everybody is in, you know, it gets an inflammatory response. Absolutely. So why don't we talk a little bit about gluten and what they do grains and what they do and why the fallacy is there, that grains are so important.

Right? So I love that, um, I did actually talk about that a little bit in my book about gluten. And, you know, it makes some people sad even hear that, but it's really not good for anybody, right? I mean, you know, yeah, some people are way more tolerant of it. But as it builds up in your system, it's really not good for you. It's not good for anybody, and especially because anymore, you know, most any wheat, therefore, gluten, you're gonna get a hold up is gonna be GMO. So you're gonna have the ice of fate in there, follow pesticides, you know, very bad for your whole digestive tract.

Right. So most people don't really understand what gli sulfate is or what roundup does to seafood and what it means what genetically modified means really, they don't understand, necessarily, the whole nature of what genetically modified is, and what the difference between hybridization and genetically modified. So can you talk a little bit about that? 

Kelly Haugh 9:22  

Sure. Um, so yeah, and the GMO in the seeds themselves, they genetically modify those actual seeds. And so even though they may not have already sprayed something on it, as it's grown, they haven't come back by and sprayed, it's already in there. You are not getting rid of that. It's a part of the plant. And so no amount of rinsing it is going to get rid of it. And so that gets in your body and it's very hard for your body to get rid of it. And of course, it's a neurotoxin, as well, as well as it's bad on the digestive tract and it can cause cancer.

Ari Gronich 10:00  

Yeah, so you know, I like to get into the history of certain things. And the history of that company is an interesting history, they were responsible for things like the Manhattan Project. But even prior to that, in the United States, they were responsible for the gas that went into the gas chambers, right. And during the Holocaust, they were responsible for the, for Agent Orange during the war and mustard gas. Right. So they were actually the chemical manufacturers. And now they pretty much own something around 90% of all the food in the entire world, the entire the entire world. And I believe that they just last year merged, were allowed to merge with Bayer, who is a pharmaceutical company, which is a pharmacy, one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. And Bayer happens to be now also it's a German company, as well. And so almost all of our pharmaceutical products that are designed to treat us when we're sick, right, are made by the same company that's making our food, which is making us sick. Right? Right. Absolutely. So audience, I want you to really kind of get this, how things connect, and how things tied tie down, because this is a really important fact, it is for people to understand is that their entire food chain is being controlled by one company that also controls a major percentage of the pharmaceutical market. Right.

Right. Because they can get you with their chemicals one way or another.

It's definitely a way to continue on the cycle of business. Yeah, so wasn't that illegal for for companies to conglomerate it that way? Yeah. Yeah.

You know, but deep pockets. Unfortunately,

this, is this true? Yeah. Yeah, this is true. So. So what would you say to the average American or even, you know, consumer worldwide, that's eating this kind of food? And may not know what it is? Or why it is? What would be the things that they can look at to tell if the food they're eating is safe? Or if it's gonna make them sick? Even if it's a long term sickness?

Right? Okay. So my answer on that offhand is twofold. One would be every year, the Environmental Working Group, e wg does a dirty dozen clean 15, which is a really good list for people to go off if like I because I have a lot of clients that will say, well, we can't afford to feed our whole family organic food and things like that. So if you at least look at this list, it's helpful that way, the dozen that year that are the worst you can stay away from and be sure you get organic. And then the clean 15 is basically Yeah, there might be some residual pesticide, etc. But it's a lot less. So it's a better, better way to go. For people who aren't don't go totally organic. And the other thing would be, there's the things to look for that are mostly GMO, corn, soy, wheat, sugar beet, all here in the US at least, those are very, you know, highly GMO,

right? What's the difference between sugar beets and beet, 

sugar beet, they actually get the get the sugar out of it, a beet is actually grown in the ground. And primarily it's, you know, gonna be the red beat or the golden beat. That's totally

gotcha. So, you know, when you hear beet sugar, you don't have to be worried about juicing if you're, say a raw foodist. Right? We use a lot of beets. Yeah,

beets themselves are great. Yes.

So you know, don't get those too big. So

it does sound confusing. Yeah, I understand that. Right. So those are a couple ways. You know, just to know like, in general, these crops tend to be bad. So especially, you know, it's back to the gluten so that was not good anyway, but if you're going to eat wheat, you want to have organic wheat, you know, and especially if you don't have the refined wheat like you have the actual just stone ground wheat. That's what Way better for you, um, then I'm not promoting it because I don't think it's great. But I'm just saying, it's easier for some people to think, well, I can't possibly do all of this. And so they just want to give up. So you want to kind of highlight, like, if you start with these things, it's going to be the most helpful to you and easy for you to do.

Right. So here's my problem with with grains. And this, this is a general issue with with grains is that let's, let's say, take the scenario that we're taking a mineral supplement and trying to get the minerals right in our bodies. And then we eat a whole grain brand, because it's marketed as, as healthy or healthier alternative. Right? Right. So those grains absorb minerals, right? And then pass them through you to where you don't get to absorb the minerals, because they're very spongy. If you look at look at, look at a piece of, you know, Crumb Cake, any of those kinds of things. They're kind of spongy cakes, breads, pastas, spongy, spongy, absorbs it's absorbent, right? Right, we can, we can all kind of get with that. And so if you're taking a mineral supplement, while you are also eating breads, and glutens, and carbs, and grains, you're literally flushing down all the money that you're putting into those mineral supplements. You're flushing that down the toilet. Right? Right. Yeah. So this is just one of the reasons why, you know, if you're, if you have mineral deficiencies of any kind, like iron, and you're anemic, if you know you have insulin issues, if you have, those are all because of mineral deficiencies. And so eating the bread doesn't necessarily equal a good, healthy, right response to the other things that you might be doing. It actually might harm that response, even if you're not getting a massive inflammatory response where you recognize it. Correct?

Yeah, I agree. And especially to with the, if you're saying somebody who has a blood sugar issue or an insulin issue, they really, they shouldn't be eating bread anyway. You know, that's not that's very counterproductive. Right. So, you know, on many levels, yeah.

Right. So, you know, give it give a few recommendations on what it is that you'd like to see happen within the systems. Like, if you're talking to a government employee right now, which I love talking to government employees that have control over whether they're about to be able to put more chemicals in our environment. Our last slide? Yeah, right. So I love talking to the government officials. But let's say we're talking to some government officials right now. And we're giving them some solutions to the ills of bad health and the systems of agriculture that we're going through currently, right? What are some solutions that you would suggest?

why that's a big one, isn't it? Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 18:31  

I know.

Ari Gronich 18:33  

What I don't know is if they're gonna listen in, it does depend on right. Who is it? What What is their lobby toward? What's their propensity?

Unknown Speaker 18:45  

But what

Kelly Haugh 18:46  

what do I think could be done? I mean, definitely don't let anything else get added. That is bad for us. Absolutely. And I don't know, because it is such a deep pocket issue, if you're gonna get that reversed on the whole GMOs and the whole seeds and everything like that. That's tough. But maybe they could be touting organic foods, maybe they could be that could even be part of, if not part of the new food pyramid, even if it could just be they could, at least as a public service message, talk about chemicals in the food and you know, eating organic or things like that. That wouldn't be that hard for them to do. But I don't know that they have a slant to that.

Ari Gronich 19:32  

Right. So I'm an idealist. So I believe that anything is possible. Sure. As long as enough people force it to become possible. Right, right. And so the things that I'm looking at being possible, for instance, let's say is hydroponic gardens. Oh, yeah. local communities. Absolutely. Because you can control what is put in. You don't need the pesticides right. Because it's a controlled environment, you can grow it year round. You put it into farmer's markets, you put it into high schools, you put it into elementary schools. And now all of a sudden you have free labor because you're teaching the kids how to grow food. Right? Right. So this is just one of many possible solutions. If you're in a big city, there are no skyscraper gardens.

Oh, yeah. Which is really exciting

that feat that can feed an entire city, what it needs because you can create, you know, different levels with different kinds of foods, a lot of variety. And it's all Hydro and aeroponic. This is a solution to big cities. My favorite. I think my favorite one is in parks, public parks. There's land, right, right. So every other tree instead of being an oak tree, or a pine tree, which really doesn't do a lot for our health, right. Or for our food supply. Apple Tree, orange tree face, you know, different trees inside a park. That's your real fast food now.

Unknown Speaker 21:08  

Yeah, right. Yeah, you could pick

Ari Gronich 21:09  

the fruit off the tree. You know, if you're homeless, you have plenty of food to eat. Right. So problem isn't solved the homeless issue, but now, at least gives them some food. Right? You can. I was thinking like, I want to create a mass movement of people throwing berry seeds all over the freeways. You know, the size of the freeways cover new fruit? Yeah, why wouldn't that be cool? You know, a couple of handfuls of berries. And you go on your way. All nicely energized. Yeah. Yeah, there are so many solutions. And yeah,

Kelly Haugh 21:52  

it's not like that couldn't happen. Right. It's not like this couldn't be a thing.

Ari Gronich 21:57  

Right. It's not like it would be very difficult. It would cost a lot of money. I'm talking to you, governors, Senators, government officials. If you're in charge you're being talked to right now. Yeah. All right. Well, wait. Yeah.

Kelly Haugh 22:13  

I mean, yeah, like you say, it's not gonna take that much. It's certainly not that much money. Definitely not even labor. I mean, and you could probably get the whole community to go out and do the actual planting and everything

Ari Gronich 22:26  

right. And especially if you're feeding that look at it from a different angle. you're feeding the community in which you're living in. Right, right. So it's not being transported as much. Yeah.

Kelly Haugh 22:40  

That's really good.

Ari Gronich 22:40  

Right. So we're singing gas, we're saving energy and electricity and other kinds of units of things that we wouldn't normally be wasting. Right, right. Yeah. So what else can we do? Just let's give them solutions to the issues because most people know that there's an issue, even if they don't know what that issue is, right. I think they know that there's an issue. Right? That's our health with the world, you know, with our food with with those things. Government, you know, if you wanted to save money, you could probably stop subsidizing food that's unhealthy. Because most people, I don't think people realize that they're being fed food, cheap food, that is actually a lot more expensive than some of the other food that you could be eating here. Right. But it's cheap in the stores, because your tax dollars are being taken for them. Absolutely. I

Kelly Haugh 23:41  

think people don't know that at all.

Ari Gronich 23:43  

So they don't know about that. You're being

Kelly Haugh 23:46  

lightened, you're, you're paying for it one way or another. And definitely at the end, you're paying for it with bad health. Absolutely, yeah. Which, of course, is gonna cost you a lot more in the long run.

Ari Gronich 23:59  

Absolutely. So if I were to take a step back now, and I'm just going to spotlight on you and your background, what you've been able to do, and what your message really is two people, what would what would you say? Well, so

Kelly Haugh 24:16  

I mean, my main message I not to give people hope, and I'm out to help people know that there is something more they can do. I always want people to be asking, what else can I do? Because that and throughout my life's journey and the things I've been through, which has been many very major things that most people might go through one but I've been through like for what else can I do? That question literally saved my life and the life of my daughter, figuring out what else can I do and not just take that blanket? Here's all there is? You can't You can't accept that as the answer. So if you have an issue, an underlying health issue, autoimmune issue, chronic inflammation, chronic stress, anxiety, get issues, any of that it doesn't matter what your particular issue is. There's always something different, better and more that can be done. Absolutely,

Ari Gronich 25:15  

absolutely. So let's let's drill by symptoms if you're experiencing, if you're experiencing foggy brain, bloating, gas, crazy heat, and then cool, your temperatures deregulated. If you're experiencing symptoms of diabetes, insulin resistant, heart disease, chronic pain, YouTube could be affected by the sad diet.

Kelly Haugh 25:48  

It's true.

Ari Gronich 25:53  

Let's talk about like brain fog and things like that. I've been told recently that they're trying to reclassify Alzheimer's and dementia as type three diabetes a little bit because this is affecting. My grandmother had Alzheimer's, she didn't know who I was for the last I don't know, maybe almost 10 years of rice. Yeah. couldn't speak English anymore. She can only speak Spanish. I mean, she had no idea who she was, other than the 16 year old and before girl. So it's very personal for me. You know, how, how would you suggest somebody who's experiencing dementia and Alzheimer's and brain fog? In general, they're going to work and they're gone? What am I supposed to be doing to her? You know, what would you suggest as a change to their, to their plan that they can do? Right mmediately to start feeling different and better.

Kelly Haugh 26:52  

So I'm on the lighter note of brain fog versus dementia, Alzheimer's, all of those types of things, because there's a heavy, heavier issue, although the same types of things absolutely affect it. But somebody's just experiencing brain fog, you know, something they could do would be number one, cut out sugar. And then number two, cut out the refined carbs that turned straight to sugar in your body, because that all leads to brain fog. Another thing is good, you know, having enough good healthy bacteria in your gut versus unhealthy bacteria? Because that's dysbiosis when you have too much bad bacteria. So adding in better. How did they do that? How did they do that? They can do it by particular strains of probiotics with prebiotics with them, as well as fermented foods which have pre and probiotic foods in them like kimchi and sauerkraut. Kimchi sauerkraut, yep. All right. Well, count kombucha. There's, there's a variety of a variety. And I teach fermented foods classes that people can make them at home on their own and realize it's not that hard to do, which is really cool. But those also eating, you know, a lot of the good plants and getting a big variety, because you're getting some pre and probiotics in that way. And especially if it's organic, and you don't want to wash the crap out of that organic food. You actually want some of that good soil on there, because it's actually good for you. And you're adding in good bacteria that way.

Ari Gronich 28:28  

Yeah. Remember when you were a kid and used to have mud pies in the mud pies were tasted like dirt? Because it was actual mud?

Kelly Haugh 28:35  

Because it was dirt. Yeah, it

Ari Gronich 28:36  

was good for you that actually your immune system really well. strength. Absolutely. Right. Yeah, this whole thing. This whole thing about being anti bacteria, anti virus is a bad word these days, but anti bacteria anti virus. These are things that we weren't fungus creating penicillin. Right? It was really good for you, you know, magic mushrooms, psilocybin that helps people with PTSD with emotional trauma release with all kinds of, you know, health issues, right. So this is something that we've been taught to avoid. Right. But we love mushrooms in our in our

Kelly Haugh 29:25  

mushroom mask. Right, exactly.

Ari Gronich 29:26  

So it's not avoid these things. It's it's actually these are the things that help keep us healthy that they've been telling us the system has been telling us we need joy.

Kelly Haugh 29:38  

Right? Right. Yeah, when everything is just so sterile and you have your air actually getting rid of your good bacteria as well then you don't want to do that.

Ari Gronich 29:48  

Right. Even though I was told recently. mouthwash. It's got that high alcohol content in the mouthwash. It'll kill all the bacteria in the back of your mouth. Right now. That good bacteria that's in the back of your mouth. Is the stuff helping to keep you from getting heart disease?

Kelly Haugh 30:08  

Right? Yes. And it also, that is actually what also keeps you from getting actually sick. You know, you want all the good bacteria. There. Yeah, when I wiped

Ari Gronich 30:19  

it out, right, so then how can we get the good bacteria and get clean smelling breath instead of garlicky, oniony

Kelly Haugh 30:28  

mushroomy? Well, you know, minty is fine, you just don't want to have the alcohol base. And yet fluoride isn't good for you either. Just you know, dance baking soda, you can use a little essential oil, you know, you're actually getting your mouth clean, but not wiping out your little activated charcoal. charcoal, right? MCT oil is great. It's I you know, but in a good way, anti bacterial, fungal, viral, all of that. But it's not going to kill off all your good stuff. So

Ari Gronich 30:58  

yeah, these are these are really amazing gems, I just want the audience to really get the grasp of what they're getting here. Because really, we're getting into the nitty gritties of food choices and lifestyle choices that people can can make. Absolutely in order to really alter their health. Because, you know, I know for me and my story, I went so many years, trying so many things. And having Dr. Google one search after another Right, right. Yeah. And so many people are doing the same thing. Absolutely. They're listening to Dr. Google who changes, you know, tune every, like week or two. Yeah,

Kelly Haugh 31:47  

absolutely. Right. And one doctor, Google is way over here. And one is way over here. And so then it leaves the average person not knowing what am I supposed to believe? And part of my whole thing is I've waited through all this shit, so you don't have to?

Ari Gronich 32:04  

Well, thank you very much. Yeah, I appreciate you doing that. wasn't what I was gonna do. Not a fan of wading through what I what I am a fan of is getting to the nitty gritty of this stuff. You know, like, what's a really good argument for eating grass fed organic beef and, and meats in general, rather than eating? The standard meat diet? Yeah, that's right. And just one of those based on what you're saying is the antibiotics that they're giving the cows are then going into us killing our good bacteria. Absolutely. Right. So talk a little bit about how that

Kelly Haugh 32:53  

how that wreaks havoc, it wreaks havoc on your whole digestive system and your gut health. Again, you want all the good bacteria, you can have just well shown that bad bacteria. Yeah, the cows literally, that are the feedlot, they actually have a thing right in your ear, and it's an injectable antibiotic that they get this slow dose of the entire time they're there.

Ari Gronich 33:18  

people realize that so it's basically like, diabetics, insulin

Kelly Haugh 33:23  

pump, that it's an A, and A biotic pump in their air that they get the whole time that they're there. And so, you know, even if he might have been out on a pasture, you know, for part of his life, he's now been moved here and he's here a good bit of time. Just taking in all these antibiotics. Now they're gonna, you know, slaughter him and now you're you are definitely ingesting those antibiotics,

Ari Gronich 33:49  

right. So that will say you are what you eat is not quite true. Because you're not a cow. But you will eat one if you eat one.

Kelly Haugh 33:59  

Yeah,

it is you are what you eat, but you are what you are eating, ate as well. Eating. Your plants are sitting, right either way you are getting whatever that is as well. And it's not just, oh, well, that's fine. It was in him. It doesn't matter. No, you're literally taking that in and now you are consuming that. Yeah. So I was

Ari Gronich 34:23  

listening to a paleontologist once and we were at a Dinosaur Park. And I think it was my son's birthday. And somebody asked a question about the dinosaurs that are, you know, meat eaters versus those that are vegetarian and, you know, and the guy said, well, the dinosaur who eats the vegetarian gets all the nutrients of the vegetarian. You know, dinosaur, because they're, they're getting what that dinosaur ate, right? Yeah. So even if they never eaten Plant, they're getting all the plant nutrients through through the meat that was really fascinating because a lot of people, you know, especially in this culture that we've been moving towards, which is vegan vegetarian, which I don't think is is a bad thing in and of itself, right? It's a necessary thing, because we absolutely never ate the amount of meat that we're eating as a nation daily, if I eat meat a couple times a week, that's a good amount that's kind of more on par. Right, right with our traditional diet. So we're not supposed to be eating three meals a day of meat. But if we're eating meat that's not been raised on a pasture eating grass, but has been raised in a feed water, one of these places where they got the antibiotics, you're literally killing your gut, oh, which is killing your brain, right? Kill your brain to kill your gut?

Kelly Haugh 36:00  

Well, because your good gut bacteria absolutely sense. And you'll see your brain all day long, you know, got two brain brain to gut but more got two brain. And so you know, a lot of people don't know about that more and more people have at least heard of it, but highly important. And like what you said earlier about the dementia and everything. When we are consuming the chemicals, lots of gluten, all of that affects your brain. And all the other, you know, the chemicals are very neurotoxic, very bad to the brain.

Ari Gronich 36:35  

Yeah, absolutely. That is that is for sure. So neurotoxins, let me let me just kind of get to that, because we talked about fluoride when we were talking about toothpaste, and I just want you know, the history of fluoride in water supply. Because in water supply, they know absolutely 100% that it does nothing for teeth, and only worse for teeth if it's directly applied. And even that is questionable as far as the form of fluoride that's used, right. But fly was used originally by Hitler's you know, Army in order to control the soldiers. Because the soldiers would be a lot more suggestible to their orders, when their neurotoxin level was lowered, basically made their cognitive function and critical thinking skills drop and diminish so that they'd be more easily considered cheap. Yeah, I know, that's not a necessarily nice word. But it's the word that that it can be heard, right? As she right. So I don't know if you've noticed this, but I've noticed it the amount of decline in cognitive function. It's horrible critical thinking common sense. And the ability of a nation or world to be heard it. Right. We're seeing that a little bit loudly. Oh, yeah. We're not gonna talk about why you saw what it was. Cause 2020 sounds like an interesting experiment in herd mentality, her herd immunity herd mentality herd, being herded into our stables so to speak, right. So if you were wondering what that might be, it could be the fluoride in your water. It could be certainly contribute, again, be the pesticides in your food, it could be all of these things that can contribute to cognitive decline. Absolutely. Have you noticed cognitive decline in your friends and family?

Kelly Haugh 38:52  

At least a little bit.

Ari Gronich 38:55  

Have you noticed it?

Kelly Haugh 38:56  

I'd say in general, yeah. The population at large? Yes. I know what you're saying.

Ari Gronich 39:01  

Yeah. Did you know that in the late 1800s, early 1900s, a fifth grader going to school is learning about the same material, as we are learning in freshman year of college right now.

Kelly Haugh 39:21  

That's crazy.

Ari Gronich 39:24  

That's really odd. Is that a little odd? I think it's all absolutely. Yeah, we have declined so much in our cognitive function, that we can't even they're not even teaching us. And I think part of it is that we like our children to be children.

Kelly Haugh 39:42  

Well, yeah.

Ari Gronich 39:45  

I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that was how nature intended to

Kelly Haugh 39:49  

right.

Ari Gronich 39:50  

For children to be children for so long for so long. Yeah. You know, understand

Kelly Haugh 39:55  

that, um, you know, also in the 1800s, right. They didn't have that. distractions. I mean, just everywhere distractions.

Ari Gronich 40:03  

This is true this that the other goes fast roll this.

Kelly Haugh 40:08  

I mean, people are just like, go, go go. And I do think that's part of it too is just, um, I get the kid part, which is a little different, but still just the stress level that everybody's under also affects the brain immensely.

Ari Gronich 40:22  

Yeah, I was I was watching it, or I was reading a book to my son, I read him these books called the value books. And they all have a different value and then a historical character that emulated that value. Okay, so we just did understanding with Margaret Mead. Okay, cool. And Marguerite, if you don't know, she was a famous anthropologist who went to different islands, she was the first anthropologist to actually go to where the people are that she was studying and live with them amongst them. So before that, you know, anthropologists would study in books, right? They never went out to the locations of studies, she went to the location. So she went to the Samoan islands. And on the small island, she found that they raised their kids a very certain way, by the time they were six, they were already starting to learn how to cook and take care of the younger siblings, and do all that they still have their playtime, but they had a lot of responsibility. By the time they were 13. They were basically able to take care of an entire family. And, you know, look at getting married, they were able to choose their partner, their wife, or or husband. And they found that as adults, they were really, really happy. And then she went to another community and the kids had no responsibility. They were just able to play all day long all the time. Right? No, no responsibility, but they didn't learn how to live. As adults. We call it we call this now adulting adulting. This is this is a term we needed to use adults. Yes. Yeah. So they found that those people as adults were miserable, angry, not having fun, they didn't like each other, their marriages were arranged. Right? Right, they didn't have the choice of who they would marry, they had to pay a humungous fee for that wife, you know, to the family. So they were in debt the whole time. I mean, they had all these different things that kept them from being happy. But it was interesting to me to learn how to Samoans are so happy because they knew how to take care of each other. So all the responsibilities did not cause them stress, because they have the they have the tools, they all knew how to do it, and they could all share in it, they know how to do it, they could share it, it they have the tools, and nothing could come as a surprise. Really, that would stress them out as much because they had already experienced all those things.

Kelly Haugh 43:11  

Right? really fascinating. To me, very,

Ari Gronich 43:14  

yeah, I just thought I'd bring that up in case anybody was thinking that our kids are getting, you know, a little too complacent with their iPads and YouTubes and stuff like that. Not quite learning about how to learn but learning how to ask Siri how to learn.

Kelly Haugh 43:34  

Yeah, absolutely.

Ari Gronich 43:36  

Just in case anybody ever, ever, you know, thought about that? I know, when I was a kid, we used to go out to the fields and pick berries every now and then it wasn't a regular thing. But during berry season, we'd go out and pick a bucket full and we get to keep you know, half of what we picked. You know, we had we had jobs early but nowadays they have they have these iPads. And now my son is doing a YouTube.

Oh boy. Gabriel.

Gabriel Gronich. Is his YouTube channel. Go subscribe. He's collecting silver and, and has five businesses. Nice. Nice. Great, pretty nice, you know? Yeah, yeah, he was going to school. And the teacher asked him how they were feeling how he was feeling. He said angry. The teacher said Why are you angry? He said, I have five businesses and nothing you're teaching me is going to help me with one of them. That is a six year old worth watching. Right now.

Kelly Haugh 44:45  

 kidding. He's on fire.

Ari Gronich 44:46  

He is gonna do it. He is gonna he's gonna rule the world one day, which is really cool for me because I get to watch and and hopefully be a good support. Right. Yes, it gets a feed him well. So he has cognitive function, right? He's had no vaccines. Very good. I know there's a lot of controversy about vaccines. I'm not completely against them as a concept, but I think that they were really designed more to emulate. Home, you homeopathics. And they kind of lost their way when they stopped putting them in little sugar pellets and started putting them in formaldehyde Mercury, and yeah, there might be other stuff, right? Yeah, absolutely. So you know, if you're, if you're a vaccinating person, and you would say, Oh, he's an anti vaxxer. Yes. Just so you know, but there's a reason why, you know, you know, all the reasons why you would never want your kids to be vaccinated with the current schedule, and the current way of producing the vaccines. Just caveat, Well, number one.

Kelly Haugh 46:01  

That's a big subject for me. Um, I would first just say, for people who are gung ho on vaccines, you absolutely need to spread them out. Absolutely. Even even if you're going to do them, no matter what, no matter what anybody says, that's fine. But you should at least spread them out. So your child isn't overloaded with a whole bunch of chemicals all at once. It's very bad for the body. My daughter, actually, we are, I don't think you knew this part. But we're pretty well convinced that she has autism, because of her vaccines. She was tracking on normally till six months. And then she had five vaccines at once, which we were told was totally fine, totally normal. And it's at the time, no longer, you know, we believed we, the doctors know what they're doing. They're trained, they're well trained. All of that. Now I say, you have to ask, Is there something different, better and more, but, um, she was never the same after that. And so basically, she had an underlining, you know, issue going on, we didn't know about an immune issue. You put all that in a little baby, and the body goes berserk, basically, because, you know, it's trying to get rid of that attack it. And so I'm, I kind of like you all say, Well, I'm not an anti vaxxer. But you have to be very, on your own, you need to find out all about every bit of information you can about it. And does your kid really need it? And absolutely, no matter what I want people to know they need to spread those apart one vaccine at a time. That's it. Because if there's any issue going on underlying and you don't know about it, you're gonna know about it way too soon.

Ari Gronich 47:52  

And you're gonna find out if you do it one at a time, which one caused it?

Kelly Haugh 47:58  

Absolutely, then you would know. Yeah. The other thing is, if you don't mind me just putting this in here, because we're talking about this. I want people to know this because people don't know this at all. So I'm in about first grade, then they wanted to get my daughter the MMR booster. Because, you know, school at school. We said absolutely not. She'll never have another vaccine ever. But we were working with this great doctor in California at the time. And he said, Oh, all we need to do is a simple blood test, a titers test, very simple, not much blood at all. So he checked her titers levels for that. She was actually at 4,400% higher than what she should be. So had we gone ahead and gone along with, let's give her this MMR booster would have been even more detrimental to her health. But he said only 5% of kids actually need that booster that when they are tested actually need it. 95 don't, but they just give it to everybody. Which to me is just pathetic. Right? We're gonna give it to 95% of kids who don't even need it.

Ari Gronich 49:12  

It's not right. It's kind of like quarantining 95% of the population. I wouldn't know anything about that. But that Sounds Sounds like a similar, you know, these these things are really all about one, you know, one size fits all, so to speak solutions. And as we know, we are all snowflakes. And I don't mean that in the detrimental, you know, political way of calling people snowflakes. I mean, we are all unique. We are very individual and what's good for me is not necessarily good for you, and definitely not at the same time. Yeah,

Kelly Haugh 49:58  

right. Everyone's body is different. Everyone's physiology is different. You know, there's so many factors, everything. It's all multifactorial. And so you have to consider all of that you can't just blanket everybody into the same thing. It doesn't. Well, you can do it, but it doesn't turn out good,

Ari Gronich 50:16  

right? But if we were to blanket people into the same thing, what would we do? We would probably want to vaccinate everybody, because then we'd have everybody on the same playing field. Right? Right. What happens when somebody is is not? There, their body can handle the same thing as somebody else's. We all know the person who could eat 50,000 McDonald's hamburgers and stay skinny. Right? And somebody else drives by McDonald's, and we'll get there just by driving. Right, you know, so yeah, this is like, it's a discussion to help get everybody on the same pages. But it's the same pages, your page, absolutely your individual page, not the same page that everybody else is on the same page? You need to be on yourself, right? Absolutely.

Kelly Haugh 51:16  

Yeah. Because everyone is different. Every physiology is different. Every You know, my mind works different than yours might get works different than yours. You know, everything is different. Because and so you can't treat the snowflakes the same. You can't treat

Ari Gronich 51:36  

politics as well as food. Medicine. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But how do we get the the, you know, how do we get that to be a system it system by usable thing? Because we all know that everybody needs to systemize everything. Right? So how do we get that to be a systemized double thing? Especially if doctors aren't allowed? You know, really, to meet with you for more than seven minutes? Oh,

Kelly Haugh 52:09  

my gosh, right.

Ari Gronich 52:10  

How long does it take for you to do an assessment as a nutritionist?

Kelly Haugh 52:14  

I mean, it would depend on the person what they've got going on, on average, 45 minutes an hour, you know, as a first, you know,

Ari Gronich 52:22  

if somebody's going on?

Kelly Haugh 52:24  

Yeah. I mean, I could, if you would first address the few things going on. And then you would need to revisit and, you know, address more if somebody has a lot of things going on. So you could spend hour and a half, two hours. I mean, it could end up being three or four hours. I mean, you know, to really get in depth and see what's really going on,

Ari Gronich 52:45  

right? is that happening? Not in most cases, is your doctor taking an hour to two hours to really find out what's going on. And I don't want this to be like I'm bashing doctors, because frankly, I think doctors are heroes that really deserve a lot of metals for their courage, because they've decided to go into a system that literally threatens them if they don't do medicine, the way of the insurance. Companies Yeah, and, you know, there's this moral hazard, that world trauma, moral hazard that doctors are going through, because they are they're looking at at the world going, I I just want people to be healthy, I want to I want to treat and take care of people, right? And the system is not letting me do that. So, you know, I always go back to the old medicine man, medicine woman, and the doctors in the olden days, they would do these things. They're unheard of called house calls. They would show up at your house, right? They would spend time watching you live, sometimes a week. And then they get an idea of what it was in your environment in your lifestyle in what you were doing that was causing the problem. And eventually, they would be able to then solve that problem.

Right? Absolutely. But today is settle you in so you out. And they have a lot of information and they're trained well, but they don't have all the information and they aren't trained on everything because they're trained in their realm, which is primarily pharmaceuticals, etc. Right? And so, you know, they absolutely have a very important job and they they are heroes and do so many great things but they have their own realm. And then there's a lot more to health and wellness that they just don't care. However,

right? So you wouldn't want to go to a foot doctor, for instance, if you had a brain tumor. And you don't want to go to a doctor, if you have an issue with nutrition, just like you wouldn't go to a doctor for pain, because of a weakness or an accident, who would only be able to give you? medication? Right, right, yeah, versus going to a therapist, or some sort of chiropractor, physical therapist, massage therapist, personal trainer, who actually deals with injuries and why they occur, right. So just just kind of kick to note, we've started doing things backwards, right, we're not doing things the right direction, because we're looking for this fast, you know, fast Hill solution versus a lifestyle solution versus a way of living solution, right. And by doing that, what's happened is, it takes a really long time to lose weight now, because you're literally getting big, and then small and big and small, and the big and then small. And then Big and then big. And every time you get big, you get a little bit bigger. And every time you get small, it's a little less small. Right? Right. And it takes a really long time. Because you go from fast, pill to fast Delta fast kills fascination fast solution, versus just taking a look at gets. Let's get rid of the fads. Let's get rid of the concepts. Let's just go back to what was working for the last couple hundred thousand years. Right? Yeah. Or if you're religious the last 2000 years, right. 6000 years, right. What was working then is probably going to work better for our system and what wasn't? What isn't working now? Probably isn't going to work better in the future, like pesticides and processed foods. Those things are not our bodies are not ready for that. Yeah. Right. Right.

Kelly Haugh 57:16  

You can you can detoxify and get rid of so much, but only so much, right? And if you're constantly putting more and more in and on your body. Yeah, you're not you're not able to detox all of that and get rid of it.

Ari Gronich 57:30  

Yeah, let's talk about makeup and lotions and haircare products and cosmetics as well and how they play a role in ill health, inflammation, etc.

Right. So those are follow up again, neurotoxins, they lates all kinds of bad chemicals. Many of them like the average woman puts 175 or something chemicals on in and on her body every single day, between all her makeup and lotions and you know everything and there's lots of natural natural alternatives out there. You know, there's several you can make your own with different essential oils, things like that. Or, you know, there's readily available courses, or outsource like that you can find lots of more natural products. Yeah,

we have a friend who has naked beauty. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Yeah. Naked beauty and all that

Kelly Haugh 58:28  

good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Ari Gronich 58:30  

So you know, these are the things that we we recommend. I'm gonna we're gonna end this episode, because I think it's been a really great episode so far. Thank you, I'd like to end it on a good note. So So give the audience three things that they aren't, that's actionable, doable, easily available, ready for them that they can do right now. So that they can create a new tomorrow today for their own health and vitality.

Kelly Haugh 59:03  

Okay, so number one I go with, if you're not taking a good pre and probiotic do that, it can either be in the pill form a good one, or you can go out and get you a bag of sauerkraut if you don't want to make any kombucha, kimchi, any of those. So in any realm of that to get your good gut bacteria going better. Number two would be that cutting off or down on the sugar, refined carbs because that's going to help number one, those feed the bad gut bacteria. So you're feeding having a big feeding frenzy in there, and they squelching down the good. So those kind of go together but they're different. So cutting out that sugar and refined carbs, really important. And the other thing it's hard to narrow it to three but stress is a huge cause of massive amounts of illness for people. So, that chronic stress piece, do something to lessen your stress, okay? So whether that's you're going to meditate even five minutes, you're going to just put on music you love and listen to it. You're going to you're feeling you know, totally stressed out, you're going to look in your environment, you're going to look around to see something pretty see something enjoyable. What do you what do you feel? Can you feel something that can distract you and calm you down? You know, you want to use the senses and engage the senses to get calm down a little bit. So those are a few just, you know, easy things people can do to add in, that will actually make a big difference.

Ari Gronich 1:00:40  

Awesome. Thank you so much for being here, Kelly. And you have a new book?

Kelly Haugh 1:00:45  

I do. I have a new book out, I'm super excited about it. Mind, your gut,

Ari Gronich 1:00:52  

your gut. See if we can get this pixelate properly,

Kelly Haugh 1:00:58  

many connotations to it minding your gut.

Ari Gronich 1:01:01  

Yes, yes, give it a little bit about what this book is about, and what they'll what people will get from from reading it. And then how they can go about finding it and finding you if they want to learn more.

Kelly Haugh 1:01:13  

Okay, cool. Thank you very much. Um, so you know, it's minding your gut powering up your immune system, your stress, resilience, and your mental wellness through your gut brain. So that whole gut brain piece, which is very important, I talked about the problem, the problem with chronic stress, anxiety, depression, I talk a little bit about science in the book. So people know, like, what is it all about? And why should I care. But then I make it very relatable with some stories. And so and it has some great actionable tips as well, that people can use distressing. So yeah, they could go to mindyourgutsbook.com to find the book itself, you can order on there if you want to. And you can definitely read just a little bit more about the book and the journey and how it came, came to be, or it is also available on Amazon now.

Ari Gronich 1:02:11  

Awesome. Anywhere else that if they want to get a hold of us social media.

Kelly Haugh 1:02:16  

So my website is manifestnaturalwellness.com. And I do have a Facebook group too, which is a it's on the back of this. It is stress busters, Inc. and they can get hold of me that way.

Ari Gronich 1:02:35  

Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And this has been another episode of creating a new tomorrow. We are here to create a new model today give you actionable steps to do that. Go check out my blog as well a newtomorrow.com or createanewtomorrow.com. Or you could go to Amazon and find it there. It'll give you actionable steps on how you can live your most passionate life today. So thank you so much for being here. Kelly, I really appreciate it. As to seeing you, you know, in your book, get more publicity, get out there more. And that way, we can create much more of an impact on the world. Hey, yeah, want to change the world, change the world. And again, to the governors, the senators, the politicians that are hiding behind their lobbyists. We're coming for you do the right thing. make the world a healthier place today. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

Hi, I am here with Kelly haugh, she is a Certified Health & Wellness Coach, Nutritional Psychology Practitioner, Gut Health Expert, and she helps people to weigh them down! Whether that is chronic stress & overwhelm, anxiety, the blues, or inflammation and pain. She will help you break through the barriers that are keeping you stuck and build in new habits to re-wire your -stuck- brain for lasting change. here is a glimpse of the episode hope you enjoy it. Hear it live on Monday at 6 Am for the full episode in your favorite podcast app.

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Kelly Haugh 0:00  

Stress is a huge cause of massive amounts of illness for people. So, that chronic stress piece, do something to lessen your stress. Okay? So whether that's you're going to meditate even five minutes, you're going to just put on music you love and listen to it. You're going to you're feeling you know, totally stressed out. You're gonna look in your environment, you're gonna look around to see something pretty see something enjoyable. What do you what do you feel? Can you feel something that can distract you and calm you down? You know, you want to use the senses and engage the senses to get calmed down a little bit.

Hi, I am here with Phil Michaels. Phil Michaels is a Forbes 30 Under 30 entrepreneur and finalist for ABC’s Shark Tank who’s spoken in 24 countries. After founding Tembo Education, Phil has since become a performance coach, coaching mostly CEOs from Harvard and MIT, but also includes the #1-ranked poker player in the world and #1-ranked Saudi rapper in Dubai. He’s also the host of the only podcast in the world that exclusively interviews entrepreneurs that made the Forbes 30 Under 30 list. here is a glimpse of the episode hope you enjoy it. here is the Highlights of the episode hope you enjoy. Listen to the full episode in your favorite podcast app.

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We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:08  

Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and here I'm with me. Here with me is Phil Michaels. So Michaels is a Forbes 30 under 30 entrepreneur, he's a finalist for ABCs Shark Tank. He's spoken in 24 countries. He's the founder of Tembo education. He's a performance coach, coaching, mostly CEOs from Harvard MIT, number one ranked poker player, number one ranked Saudi rapper in Dubai, he's also the host of the only podcast in the world that exclusively interviews, entrepreneurs that made the Forbes 30 under 30 lists. So welcome, Phil, I really appreciate you coming on. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself more than what's obviously in the bio, and a little bit about why you chose this kind of path for your for your life.

Phil Michaels 1:11  

Ari, thank you so much for having me. I'm really blessed to be here. I'm excited to learn more about you and your audience, as well and share some amazing, amazing performance hacks as well, for your audience. And for those listening. I was pre med, I always wanted to be an ophthalmologist and eye surgeon. So my whole career path, my trajectory was based off of becoming an eye doctor and eye surgeon. So I've been shadowing doctors since I was 11. I was on this career trajectory path toward medicine. And I started working for the New York Yankees team physician, and a buddy of mine and I decided to start a mobile fitness app while I was working for the New York Yankees team physician. And we ended up becoming finalists for ABC TV show Shark Tank, and I was enthralled by this idea, Ari, you could be an entrepreneur, and was like, wow, you can impact so many more people as an entrepreneur, than if I'm a doctor, I can only see so many patients with a business, I could create lasting impact forever with as many people as I want. What it led me to do, we dissolve that business. But what it led me to do is quit my pursuit of medicine and focus on business. So I decided to get my MBA and a Master's of Science in marketing. While I was getting my graduate degrees, two master's degrees I traveling the world. And I saw a lot of initiatives already were donating either food, water, housing or health care. And in my opinion, it was putting a bandaid on the problem, giving a man a fish rather than teaching them how to fish. I figured why not educate people to solve their own problems. So I figured why not start at the earliest age possible. And when we looked in the education space in developing nations around the world, most of them were doing one of two things. For the early childhood education. Most of them, first of all, were focused on secondary school or higher ed, in my opinion, the most imperative years is zero to six, that's when 90% of the brain is formed by age four, and five. So if we're going to educate people to solve their own problems, let's start at the earliest age possible. And there's two things people are doing in this area. They're either building schools, or building a mobile app. The problem with schools, it's not that they don't have schools in developed nations, I lived in arguably the worst slums in the world in Nigeria, and they have tons of schools. The problem is the schools are more like daycare drop off centers, rather than high quality educational institutions, a place where you could drop off your kids while you go to work. Sometimes, no curriculum, teachers sometimes don't show up little to no materials, etc. And with regard to a mobile app, a lot of them didn't have smartphones at the time. And it for the ones that did have smartphones, and mobile data was very expensive to be able to run the apps on their phone. So we said, okay, schools are not the answer. And mobile app is not the answer. Let's use something they already use every single day. And that was text messages. So I decided let's educate children through their parents using text messages. So we educate zero to six year old children around the world using text messages. We send one activity per day to the parents phone. The parent educates the child. And then we reward the parent for educating their child with Amazon gift cards, mobile data for their phone, etc. So that was started in Nigeria. We're now in five countries. A Nestle is our biggest customer. They pay for children and receive education, but parents can also sign up on their own. And it's called Tembo education.

Ari Gronich 4:49  

That's awesome. You're not you're not under 30 Now, are you?

Phil Michaels 4:52  

Now I'm not I made the list in 2016. I think it was 2017

Ari Gronich 5:00  

So, you know, with the tempo education, what are you teaching zero to six year olds? What are you teaching parents? What is the basis of understanding that they're going to get out of, say, a program with you?

Phil Michaels 5:16  

It's a great question. So we built the curriculum in house, most of our education team was from the Harvard Graduate School of Education. And we focused on Harvard center for the developing child's developmental milestones. It's not a guessing game for what children's brains should be learning at x age at zero to six specifically, there's a, it's not ambiguous, it's a very step by step sequential process of what they should be learning by each age, as they as their brain develops. And this isn't just, you know, for certain population, this is for all human brains. And so we teach in all four domains of learning, language, cognitive, motor, and social emotional, and we teach them through play based activities. So we give the parent in a text message exactly what they're supposed to say and do step by step. And it's just one simple activity per day that follows one of the four domains in sequential order. So we actually started prenatal at week 13, in the mother's womb, all the way through six years of age, if invader studies show,

Ari Gronich 6:26  

you know, it's interesting. My, my son was we had him before we started homeschooling, and we had him on the zoom schooling. And one of the teachers asked, you know, how everybody was feeling? And my son says, and the teachers like, Why are you angry? You know, Gabriel, what's going on? And he says, I have five businesses, and you're not teaching me about how to do any of them.

Phil Michaels 7:02  

I love the little entrepreneur in him. How amazing is that? What you beautiful Gabriel, exactly. I want to meet you one day, that's amazing. And the fact that he's even cognisant Ari of his own emotional state is beautiful. So for a long time, we didn't understand how important social emotional learning was. But now they recently they started indoctrinating children in schools to understand how important it is learning your own emotions, oh, when I'm angry, this is how I handle my emotion. A lot of us growing up, we weren't taught, what do we do when we feel a certain way? How do we express ourselves properly? How do we not offend somebody else? How do we have empathy? These are important skill sets as an adult enough. And a lot of adults aren't well equipped enough to understand that,

Ari Gronich 7:51  

yeah, we were taught better to be seen than heard. Right, we were taught that our role was to lift our parents up by our demonstration of our obedience, you know, verse is our demonstration of intelligence, you know, when we speak when spoken to speak when spoken to, you know, and how we are, is absolutely a direct reflection on our parents versus 100% are being a reflection on how we are hundred percent lucky enough to have very loving, kind parents, but they also were entrepreneurs. So they worked 16 plus hours a day. And so I grew up with, you know, Amway in my garage and, and businesses and lemonade stands and mowing lawns and doing paper ball as a paper boy at seven years old. So that was my first you know, Job was riding around the bike and throwing newspapers, porches, you know, I don't even see that as a as an option for kids these days, when in actuality it's a really great initial job, just like mowing lawns. You know, here in Florida, everybody has a lawn mowing business. Where are the kids, you know that you pay five bucks to mow your lawn every other week or whatever, you know,

Phil Michaels 9:21  

I believe I hundred percent agree with you. Every child should be learning entrepreneurial mindsets, because it's it's just a problem solving mindset. It looks at everything as an opportunity, rather than a pain. And I started just like you I had a lemonade stand. I stole my sister's puppet show Playhouse and I used to bring it to the park where all the soccer fields were because I would pick up the soccer moms, they would come over to my lemonade stand. And I was you know, a cute little kid. Let's buy some lemonade from them. And then in elementary school, I sold Pokemon cards. So I used to go to my school and I would have a binder full of Pokemon cards. Now go to school and sell them. I remember I sold a char zard. char zote is the number one card in the deck. It's this fiery dragon as a hologram. And I sold it for $50. And I remember, I thought I had made it I ran. I told my mom, I said, Mom, you're not going to have to work again. We made it. At that time. $50 was a huge deal to me. I was like six or seven years old. Then I went in in high school, I was a I shoveled snow, and I was a bookie. So I used to print out the football matchups for NFL each week, and I'd have friends pick the matchups, and then I would take a percentage of the pool. In college, I started a nightlife promotion company for nightclubs and bars while I was going to college, and I started to fitness companies. And Ari, the funny thing about this is the whole time, I never looked at it as a my career choice. It was something I had always done as a side hustle. Throughout my life, just, Hey, I'm going to school, I'm going to be an eye doctor, but I have this hustle on the side. And it wasn't until that Shark Tank moment that I looked, it was like oh my gosh, I've been an entrepreneur my whole life. And I had never looked at that as a career. Because all these societal dogmatic norms, teach you go to school, get good grades, get a good job, get the house, get the nice car have kids and and it's like, well, wait a second, that's not the trajectory for everyone.

Ari Gronich 11:29  

So if you had the most optimal way of creating something new, what would you do? For those, say the first years through team, right? So if somebody let's say, at 13 years old, and you're creating curriculum or program or plan for them, to learn how to become mindful adults, cognitive, common sense critical thinking all those things, what kind of program?

Phil Michaels 12:04  

So I've been recording different apps and resources for parents that want to raise their child and use all the resources that are, you know, helpful to building their child into an amazing adult and amazing human being. That's really what we should be focusing on is, how do we build our children into amazing human beings, not just human beings that can take a test, we want to make sure that they have and I've actually been recording things that I call Phil University. I haven't picked a name yet. But these are things that if I were to build a school, what would those include, and I try to incorporate that philosophy into Tembo exalt as well. But for Tembo, it's for early childhood. So there's certain things the brain needs to learn by certain ages with gross and fine motor skills, social emotional health. But then once you get to an age where you can start assimilating knowledge, that's more subject matter based, for example, like behavioral economics, I've been building and recording, what are the subjects I would want my own child to learn. So if I were designing a curriculum, I could incorporate that. So one of them is language, I would make sure they know English, Arabic, French, Spanish, and Mandarin Chinese. And the reason I picked those five languages, is because I want my child to be a global citizen, a global human being, not a nation, state individual. And the reason I picked those five is because those five are spoken by more countries than any other languages, they'll be able to communicate with people around the world.

Ari Gronich 13:39  

Give every episode we give three really actionable things that the audience can do in order to change their world create a new tomorrow today. So why don't we get those and then how people can get ahold of you if they'd like to learn more about you and, and what you have to offer them.

Phil Michaels 14:00  

You can go to ImPhimichaels.com, or I'm on Instagram, and IamPhil Michaels keep it easy, and happy to share hacks, performance tricks, and further education company is Tembotexts.com, like text messages, Tembo texts, and we'll put these in the show notes, maybe. But to answer your question, oh, by the way, the podcast that I run is you could just search Phil Michaels, but it's the podcast that only interviews it's only one of the world of interviews, people that have made the Forbes list like LeBron James, Kylie Jenner, people, entrepreneurs from YouTube, Instagram, etc. so amazing, amazing people. And three things that you could do to change your life starting now. The three things that changed my life, the books that you read, the people that you spend the most time around, and the places that you've traveled, change those three things. The books you read the people you spend the most time with and the places you travel and you will change your life. Go out, explore the world, leaders are readers, and you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. So we need to disrupt these three and I guarantee your life will change more than its average change before.

Ari Gronich 15:19  

Thank you so much. And this has been a another great episode of create a new tomorrow, where we're helping you create a new tomorrow today. I'm your host, Ari, Gronich and thank you so much. We are out of here.

Phil Michaels 15:33  

Thanks Ari.

Hi, I am here with Phil Michaels. Phil Michaels is a Forbes 30 Under 30 entrepreneur and finalist for ABC’s Shark Tank who’s spoken in 24 countries. After founding Tembo Education, Phil has since become a performance coach, coaching mostly CEOs from Harvard and MIT, but also includes the #1-ranked poker player in the world and #1-ranked Saudi rapper in Dubai. He’s also the host of the only podcast in the world that exclusively interviews entrepreneurs that made the Forbes 30 Under 30 list. here is a glimpse of the episode hope you enjoy it. here is the full episode hope you enjoy. Listen in your favorite podcast app.

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We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results? We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians Paralympians a list actors in fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who control the system wants to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as I chat with industry experts, elite athletes, thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down. I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And here I'm with me. Here with me is Phil Michaels. So Michaels is a Forbes 30 under 30 entrepreneur, he's a finalist for ABCs Shark Tank. He's spoken in 24 countries. He's the founder of tempo education. He's a performance coach, coaching mostly CEOs from Harvard MIT, number one ranked poker player number one ranked Saudi rapper in Dubai. He's also the host of the only podcast in the world that exclusively interviews, entrepreneurs that made the Forbes 30 under 30. list. So welcome, Phil, I really appreciate you coming on. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself more than what's obviously in the bio, and a little bit about why you chose this kind of path for your for your life.

Phil Michaels 2:08  

Ari, thank you so much for having me. I'm really blessed to be here. I'm excited to learn more about you and your audience, as well and share some amazing, amazing performance hacks as well, for your audience. And for those listening. I was lucky enough to be born in Philadelphia and raised in Atlantic City area. Do you know where a monopoly the board game is designed after?

Ari Gronich 2:34  

Oh, I don't know exactly where it's designed. Oh, Scott Park Place and Atlanta Avenue.

Phil Michaels 2:41  

Yes. So it was designed after Atlantic City. Those are all real places. And I grew up in the Marvin gardens, the yellow, you remember that place. So one of the first female entrepreneurs incredible work. And that's it's an amazing board game. But there's a little fun fact for your next dinner table conversation. monopoly was based off of Atlantic City. And so I was raised there. And I wanted to get as far away from the cold as possible as far away from New Jersey as possible, and ended up visiting Tampa, Florida, fell in love with Tampa. And I was pre med, I always wanted to be an ophthalmologist and eye surgeon. So my whole career path, my trajectory was based off of becoming an eye doctor, an eye surgeon. So I've been shadowing doctors since I was 11. I was on this career trajectory path toward medicine. And I started working for the New York Yankees team physician, and a buddy of mine and I decided to start a mobile fitness app while I was working for the New York Yankees team physician. And we ended up becoming finalists for ABC TV show Shark Tank. And I was enthralled by this idea already, that you could be an entrepreneur, and was like, wow, you can impact so many more people as an entrepreneur, than if I'm a doctor, I can only see so many patients with a business, I could create lasting impact forever with as many people as I want. So I had an amazing lightbulb moment of Wow, I'm going to be an entrepreneur. And that conversation with my mother was very difficult. Imagine that the old school Italian mother from New Jersey. She's like, Who the hell quits the New York Yankees, and what the heck is an entrepreneur. So that was a difficult conversation to have. But what it led me to do we dissolve that business but what it led me to do is quit my pursuit of medicine and focus on business. So I decided to get my MBA and a Master's of Science in marketing. While I was getting my graduate degrees, two master's degrees I traveling the world and I saw a lot of initiatives already were donating either food, water, housing or health care. And in my opinion, it was putting a bandaid on the problem giving a man a fish rather than teaching them how to fish. I figured why not educate people to solve their own problems. So So I figured why not start at the earliest age possible. And when we looked in the education space in developing nations around the world, most of them were doing one of two things. For the early childhood education, most of them, first of all, were focused on secondary school or higher ed, in my opinion, the most imperative years is zero to six. That's when 90% of the brain is formed by age four, and five. So if we're going to educate people to solve their own problems, let's start at the earliest age possible. And there's two things people are doing in this area. They're either building schools, or building a mobile app. The problem with schools, it's not that they don't have schools in developed nations, I lived in arguably the worst slums in the world in Nigeria, and they have tons of schools. The problem is the schools are more like daycare drop off centers, rather than high quality educational institutions, a place where you could drop off your kids while you go to work. Sometimes, no curriculum, teachers sometimes don't show up little to no materials, etc. And with regard to a mobile app, a lot of them didn't have smartphones at the time. And it for the ones that did have smartphones, and mobile data was very expensive to be able to run the apps on their phone. So we said, okay, schools are not the answer. And mobile app is not the answer. Let's use something they already use every single day. And that was text messages. So I decided let's educate children through their parents using text messages. So we educate zero to six year old children around the world using text messages. We send one activity per day to the parents phone. The parent educates the child. And then we reward the parent for educating their child with Amazon gift cards, mobile data for their phone, etc. So that was started in Nigeria, we're now in five countries. A Nestle is our biggest customer. They pay for children to receive education, but parents can also sign up on their own, and it's called Tembo education. Tembo means elephant in Swahili. And the reason we chose an elephant is because they're known for being the most compassionate parents in the animal kingdom. And since our education focuses on the parents of the children, we felt like it was the best symbol for our social enterprise. So that's kind of how I started that company, and led me to the entrepreneurial journey I'm on now. And we were lucky enough to get published in Forbes magazine is the top 30 entrepreneurs under the age of 30, which led to a lot of publicity notoriety, the owner of the Boston Red Sox was one of our first funders. And that led me to coaching other people. So now I coach other entrepreneurs, mostly CEOs at Harvard and MIT, but because I lived in Boston for a while, but I also coach, investors, traders, number one poker player in the world, like you mentioned, and that's kind of what led me to where I am now.

Ari Gronich 7:50  

That's awesome. You're not you're not under 30. Now, are you?

Phil Michaels 7:53  

Now I'm not I made the list in 2016. I think it was 2017.

Ari Gronich 8:01  

So, you know, with the tempo education, what are you teaching zero to six year olds? What are you teaching parents? What is the basis of understanding that they're going to get out of say, a program with you?

Phil Michaels 8:17  

It's a great question. So we built the curriculum in house, most of our education team was from the Harvard Graduate School of Education. And we focused on Harvard center for the developing child's developmental milestones. It's not a guessing game for what children's brains should be learning at x age at zero to six specifically, there's a it's not ambiguous, it's a very step by step sequential process of what they should be learning by each age, as they as their brain develops. And this isn't just, you know, for certain population, this is for all human brains. And so we teach in all four domains of learning, language, cognitive, motor, and social emotional, and we teach them through play based activities. So we give the parent in a text message exactly what they're supposed to say and do step by step. And it's just one simple activity per day that follows one of the four domains in sequential order. So we actually started prenatal at week 13 in the mother's womb, all the way through six years of age. 

Ari Gronich 9:24  

Wow.

Phil Michaels 9:27  

Yes,

Ari Gronich 9:28  

during this incredibly odd period of our history, like this would be a really good thing for parents to do with their kids, especially if they're keeping them out of school. Right. My son is six, almost seven, and we decided to homeschool him because we didn't like how the systems were playing out within the school. In this particular time of day, you know, like mass wearing the third Scan, you know, like a scanner that scans 30 kids all at once for temperature and distance it was like, seems a little Orwellian to me. I think. I think that's not gonna happen. So we took him out of school completely, we've been homeschooling him for you. Oh, that's, uh, you know, I know a lot of parents are in that same boat right now. And they're trying to figure out what do I do with my kid? Because I don't have training and how to be a teacher. I didn't go to school for education. Right? And so they're going, what do I do? What do I do? This sounds like it's a good, you know, exercise to have parents do before or after a day of school, even if they're not in school, right?

Phil Michaels 10:49  

Absolutely. So it's meant for children that are in school, out of school, home school doesn't matter. This is what children should be learning at a certain age. So and there's little tricks I'll share with parents in just a moment. But you're 100%. Right, especially with COVID. Now, where parents are having to do more and more at home with their child, parent engagement is so important. And this, these are the differences we're seeing in children. For children that are even in school and have already left early childhood education schools, we've realized that the number one impactful variable that we're seeing in the successful children versus the unsuccessful children, in terms of their growth and development is parent engagement. How involved was the parent with that child at home, school doesn't, education doesn't happen. Just in the school, it happens mostly at home, parents are their child's first and most important teacher. And children will assimilate knowledge more from their parent than they will a teacher appear, because they have rapport with them already, so they're more willing to listen. And so about 86 to 91% of a child's vocabulary words are derived directly from their parent, not their teacher, not their school, not their peers from their parent. So it's so critical for the parent to be so involved with their child. And little tricks that we teach parents, these aren't activities. But these are little tips that we do on the side as a bonus. One simple one is if your child is exposed to screen time, let's say a TV or an app, children that watch TV with subtitles on, learn to read two years earlier than children that watch TV without subtitles. Such a simple step, you could take the click of a remote button that changes the trajectory of your child's life and their brain forever. And it's so important between the zero to six year old age group because their brain is developing so quickly, what happens, and I'll, I'll tell you the second step, and then tell you what happens. The second trick you can use is children should not be exposed to screentime. before the age to what's happening, pediatricians and this was According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, pediatricians are finding out that children are not able to distinguish between 2d objects and 3d objects, because of how much screen time they've been exposed to. So typically, a way that you can find out if your child's developing properly is if you roll a ball to the child, the child should grasp for the ball with all five fingers their whole hand, what's happening is some of the children are swiping at it as if it's on a screen, because they can't distinguish between 2d and 3d objects. That's for children that have been exposed to too much screentime. So age two and below should not be exposed screentime. And if they are exposed to screentime, put the subtitles on whether it's an app or TV, because two years of being able to read faster, doesn't sound like that big of a deal to us as adults, two years is a lifetime of brain development for a child ages zero to six. So why is that important? That's what I was going to share. Next. There's something called synapse pruning that happens in the brain. Or basically your brain is always trying to conserve energy. So anytime it can cut off unnecessary, you know, waste, it will do so. So for example, by the age of two, your brain starts to do something called synapse pruning where it says, hmm, you know what, Ari, we're not using these synapses. As often we're not firing these neuro neural connections as often as these other ones. Let's get rid of these ones to save energy. So it actually prune off son of some of the neural connections to save energy for the ones that you're firing more often. So it shows you how and this happened from ages about two to four. And this happens for the rest of your life. There is some neuroplasticity where the brain changes, but the malleability of the brain drops so dramatically as soon as you're born. While the physiological effort to create new neural connections is increasing.

As soon as you're born, you started 100% malleability, by the age of only eight months old, you're almost at 50%. Drop in malleability. By age six, you're about zero percent. malleability, meaning the brain is not able to be changed very easily with neuroplasticity. And at the same time that malleability is going down, the physiological effort to create new neural connections is increasing the energy, it takes energy that's required to create those new neural connections, it's making it harder. So that's why it's so easy for children in early age to learn multiple languages, compared to us. Now imagine if we try to learn Russian, Italian, Chinese, all right now, I mean, we will be overwhelmed, it would take way more cognitive bandwidth to do so. Children at this, this is why it's so important to get structured stimuli in your child's brain at such an early age. So they'll have a proper developmental process going on in their brain for the rest of their life. They won't be pruning off as many synapses.

Ari Gronich 15:59  

What is what is structured? mean? Because there's a lot of people who probably listen to that and think, Oh, well, that's they don't really understand what it means sure to do that. So can you give more specific for things that

Phil Michaels 16:19  

show structured stimuli, rather than something that's ambiguous or not necessarily pertaining to what they should be learning in a certain age, it's not ambiguous. We've now mapped these things out on a large scale. There's a great documentary about this on Netflix called babies. And it shows you proper developmental processes that you could be taken. But you could also sign up for a program like our there's tons of apps out there. And that's the thing are a lot of parents in the US were like, Oh, we need this here. I know you started it in Nigeria, but we need this here in the US. And we were thinking, come on, you guys have tons of resources, and tons of free resources. They were like, yeah, that's exactly it. There's so much out there. It's overwhelming. What information do I pull from? What do I know is the right information. And so this is called the zigzag principle. When everyone's zigging building a mobile app. We're zagging. And using text messages, 90% of people answer their text message within the first three minutes of receiving it. So every but nobody wants to download another app, answer another email, but they all answer their text messages. So that's why we use something simple that everybody's already using. So when I say structured stimuli, I'm talking about following the developmental milestones of a child listening to your pediatrician, following resources, such as the Harvard center for the developing child. So it's structured stimuli based on where your child is in their developmental process. a three year old might be developing a little quicker than another three year old. So you need to know where your child is, and what resources to use to follow a path, a proper trajectory, rather than using an ambiguous approach. A lot of parents get hung up on making sure their children are doing exactly what they need to be doing in school. But there's stuff outside of school that you could be doing to help your child explore nature, letting your child's curiosity lead their exploration and adventures. There's a great book about this, of what not to do is called mindset by Carol Dweck, Stanford researcher, and she debunked like 70 years of academic research. And one of the things she mentioned is you should never tell a child Good job. And the reason you should never tell our child Good job is because they don't know what a good job means. So it's called using appropriate praise. So let's say your son, what's your son's name?

Ari Gronich 18:39  

Gabriel,

Phil Michaels 18:41  

Gabriel, beautiful name. Let's say Gabriel is playing soccer. And he makes a really good paths. Most parents like Oh, good job, Gabriel. But Gabriel doesn't know why he just got praised. So a better way to approach this is that was a really good pass Gabriel, or you ran really hard I could tell you work really hard for that pass. So he now attributes his effort to his success, rather than his innate abilities. Because when you tell a child Good job, and they don't know why they did a good job, they think it's due to their innate abilities that they were just born with it rather than something they made an effort toward. And they'll share this with regard to academia as well with test taking. But what what should you do instead is be very appropriate with your praise. Because what happens is, if you tell a child Good job when they made a good pass, they're looking for and seeking for your praise later on. So if they don't make a good pass, and you didn't say Good job, they don't necessarily know why they didn't get your praise, and they become upset and start doubting themselves. And she shows this in a much more eloquent way in her book and shows you the research behind it. And she showed with test taking children that were told they're really smart. You should never tell a child they're really smart. Because they attribute that to their innate intelligence, they think that they're born with it. So anytime they're not told that they're smart, they think something's wrong with them. Oh, I must not be that smart as I thought I was or that everyone thought it was. They don't want to take risks anymore, because they're afraid that there'll be shown to everyone that they're not really smart. So a better way to approach this is to say, Wow, Gabriel, you must have studied really hard for that test, you got a 97, you must have studied really hard. Instead of saying, You're really smart, you studied really hard, they now attribute their intelligence, their good grade, to their effort, the studying habit that they perform, rather than are their innate intelligence. So now, the next time they do bad, they don't say, Oh, I'm not smart, they say, Oh, I must not have studied that hard. So now they're going to put in more effort to make sure that they improve their performance, rather than start doubting themselves. And her studies show that those children that were attributing their intelligence to their effort, were more likely to take risks at a later period in time, whether it's exams, physical risks, etc. So there are certain words that can really change the vocabulary words, that can really change how your child behaves, and how they respond to you how receptive they are to you. So those are some quick tricks that can help with the parenting world, it's so so critically important. And we would solve a lot of the problems we're facing as adults. If we worked on early childhood education, all of our time, energy and effort should not be trying to fix broken adults, it should be trying to educate children. So those become amazing adults when they're older. And unfortunately, what we have is a system where the poorest and least educated people are having the most amount of children unfortunately. And do you know the number one variable that impacts birth rate, more than any other

Close is education. Education impacts birth rate more than any other variable. So as education goes up, birth rate goes down. Because people are realizing this, the smarter you are, the more you realize how critical it is, for every child that you have for their education, how much does it cost for every child you have. So you're, you're more in tune to what it really requires to raise a child, the more educated you are in Nigeria, the average birth rate is 5.5 children per mother. They're only twice the size of California and they have almost 200 million people, they're almost the size of the US population in a place that's only twice the size of California. So it's extremely densely populated birth rates very high. And so we, in my opinion, instead of working on trying to fix broken adults, which I think we can do both we can do concurrently. They're not mutually exclusive, we could solve adult problems. But if we really want to make an impact, and really want to have a great return on investment on the work that we're doing, we want to be focusing on solving problems with parenting, and early childhood education. It changes the brain for 40 years of life invader studies show.

Ari Gronich 23:06  

You know, it's interesting, my son was we had him before we started homeschooling, and we had him on the zoom schooling. And one of the the teachers asked, you know, how everybody was feeling. And my son says, and the teachers like, Why are you angry? You know, Gabriel, what's going on? And he says, I have five businesses, and you're not teaching me about how to do any of them.

Phil Michaels 23:43  

I love the little entrepreneur in him. How amazing is that? What do you beautiful Gabriel? Exactly. For to meet you one day, that's amazing. And the fact that he's even cognisant re of his own emotional state is beautiful. So for a long time, we didn't understand how important social emotional learning was. But now they recently they started indoctrinating children in schools to understand how important it is learning your own emotions. Oh, when I'm angry, this is how I handle my emotion. A lot of us growing up, we weren't taught what do we do when we feel a certain way? How do we express ourselves properly? How do we not offend somebody else? How do we have empathy? These are important skill sets as an adult. And a lot of adults aren't well equipped enough to understand that,

Ari Gronich 24:31  

yeah, we were taught better to be seen than heard. Right? We were taught that our role was to lift our parents up by our demonstration of our obedience. You know, verse is our demonstration of intelligence you know, only speak when spoken to speak when spoken to, you know, and and how we are, is absolutely a direct reflection. On our parents versus 100% are being a reflection on how we are hundred percent lucky enough to have very loving, kind parents, but they also were entrepreneurs. So they worked 16 plus hours a day. And so I grew up with, you know, Amway in my garage and, and businesses and lemonade stands and mowing lawns and doing paper ball as a paper boy at seven years old. So that was my first you know, Job was riding around the bike and throwing newspapers, porches, you know, I don't even see that as a as an option for kids these days, when in actuality it's a really great initial job, just like mowing lawns. You know, here in Florida, everybody has a lawn mowing business. Where are the kids, you know that you pay five bucks to mow your lawn every other week or whatever, you know,

Phil Michaels 26:02  

I believe I hundred percent agree with you. Every child should be learning entrepreneurial mindsets, because it's it's just a problem solving mindset. It looks at everything as an opportunity, rather than a pain. And I started just like you I had a lemonade stand. I stole my sister's puppet show Playhouse. And I used to bring it to the park where all the soccer fields were because I would pick up the soccer moms, they would come over to my lemonade stand. And I was, you know, a cute little kid. Let's buy some lemonade from them. And then in elementary school, I sold Pokemon cards. So I used to go to my school and I would have a binder full of Pokemon cards. And I'll go to school and sell them. I remember I sold a char zard char zone is the number one card in the deck. This fiery dragon is a hologram. And I sold it for $50. And I remember I thought I had made it I ran I told my mom I said Mom, you're not gonna have to work again. We made it. At that time. $50 was a huge deal to me. I was like six or seven years old. Then I went in in high school I was a I shoveled snow, and I was a bookie. So I used to print out the football matchups for NFL each week, and I'd have friends pick the matchups and then I would take a percentage of the pool. In college, I started a nightlife promotion company for nightclubs and bars while I was going to college and I started to fitness companies. And Ari, the funny thing about this is the whole time I never looked at it as a my career choice. It was something I had always done as a side hustle throughout my life, just, Hey, I'm going to school, I'm going to be an eye doctor, but I have this hustle on the side. And it wasn't until that Shark Tank moment that I looked, it was like oh my gosh, I've been an entrepreneur my whole life. And I had never looked at that as a career because all these societal dogmatic norms, teach you go to school, get good grades, get a good job, get the house, get the nice car have kids and and it's like, well, wait a second. That's not the trajectory for everyone. You know, for some people, it's okay for him. But I feel like children should learn an entrepreneurial mindset at such an early age so they can make their own decisions and be more proactive and cognizant about the choices they want to make for their own life rather than succumbing to the societal norms.

Ari Gronich 28:28  

Yeah, you know, I look at at our educational system of my mom is a teacher, my brother's a teacher teaches High School. And, and he's actually rewritten the entire educational system. He has a folder that fixes every issue within the educational system. And I'm really hoping it gets out there sooner rather than later. But you know, because of the issues, but let's talk about what used to be versus what is and how we can go back towards what used to be while updating it to what should be right. So what used to be in my world is master apprentice relationships. kids would apprentice with their parent typically, on the thing that their parent does. Whether it's shoe cobbler, you know, a shoe cobbler has shoe cobbler kids, right? If you're a farmer, you have kids that work the farm. They always had duties and responsibilities. And nowadays, we tend to want our kids to be kids for a very long time up until they're adults, like you're a kid until you're an adult and that happens on your 21st birthday. And so now at your 21st birthday, you're supposed to know how to be an adult Even though you've been treated like a kid entire life, right, but used to be where they would have these responsibilities, roles and responsibilities in a family that would help them become a an adult, much earlier on. And nowadays, since we're doing this thing about trying to keep our kids kids, we're not teaching them how to be responsible adults. Right? So that's what was, now we know what it is. But we can create something new because we've made this shit up. And we can make it up different. Right? So the whole system as as it is, is made up out of our imagination. Great, we had a good imagination, it lasted a while, let's have another imagination and create something different. So if you had the most optimal way of creating something new, what would you do? For those, say, the first years through team, right? So if somebody let's say, at 13 years old, and you're creating curriculum or program or plan for them, to learn how to become mindful adults, cognitive, common sense critical thinking all those things, what kind of program?

Phil Michaels 31:28  

So I've been recording different apps and resources for parents that want to raise their child and use all the resources that are, you know, helpful to building their child into an amazing adult and amazing human being. That's really what we should be focusing on is, how do we build our children into amazing human beings, not just human beings that can take a test, we want to make sure that they have and I've actually been recording things that I call Phil University. I haven't picked a name yet. But these are things that if I were to build a school, what would those include, and I try to incorporate that philosophy into Tembo exalt as well. But for Tembo, it's for early childhood. So there's certain things the brain needs to learn by certain ages with gross and fine motor skills, social emotional health, but then once you get to an age where you can start assimilating knowledge, that's more subject matter based, for example, like behavioral economics, I've been building and recording, what are the subjects I would want my own child to learn. So if I were designing a curriculum, I could incorporate that. So one of them is language, I would make sure they know English, Arabic, French, Spanish, and Mandarin Chinese. And the reason I picked those five languages, is because I want my child to be a global citizen, a global human being, not a nation, state individual. And the reason I picked those five is because those five are spoken by more countries than any other languages. They'll be able to communicate with people around the world at any time at any given moment, and that I think is an important skill set to have. Another one is meditation, meditation practice, there's apps right now teaching meditation at an early age even before the age of three. So there's what I've been trained in Transcendental Meditation. It's what Jerry Seinfeld uses Howard Stern, Jim Carrey, Oprah, Ellen DeGeneres, they, there's a lot of famous people have studied what used to be a required course for the ivy League's in the 70s. So meditation would definitely be one, we've lost a lot of the art forms, art would definitely be a part of it. And not just the artistic realm of painting and drawing and music, but also entrepreneurial arts, problem solving. These are things that are incorporate nutrition, how to eat properly, we've lost that I remember when I was a kid, we took a class called home EQ, or we will learn how to cook and grow our own food. A lot of schools have lost that art I would teach anatomy and physiology how the human body works. A lot of children only take that if they're studying the Health Sciences, such as pre medicine like I did, I would teach empathy. So how do you work not only on your IQ, but your EQ? And then in addition to EQ, your emotional intelligence, your emotional quotient? What about CQ, your cultural quotient because now children are becoming more and more like global citizens rather than just within their own nation state, parenting, to children know how to parent properly. So when they become a parent, that they're going to be able to address their child's needs in a proper way. I think the more and more people learn about parenting, the less children they're going to have because they know how hard it is just to raise one child alone. So child psychology was one of my favorite courses I took in college. It's so important entrepreneurship, finance, how do you manage your finances? How do you do your taxes? How do you invest? How do you save a lot of those They're not taught to everyone that goes into school. Physical Fitness, side, obviously the sciences, chemistry, biology, physics, but things that they can actually apply in the real world. There's something about vocational learning that is so important, like you said, apprenticeship, we need to get back to learning what you're going to do. In the real world. Many pre med students never actually see what they're going to be doing on a day to day basis until they start working in the field. But if they had realized what is their day to day life going to look like by apprenticing by an apprenticeship, or shadowing people, they'll learn Oh, you know what I thought of I always wanted to be an accountant. But now that I see the day to day role, that's not something I'm interested in. So how can we get back to this vocational learning hard skills, apprenticeship rather than just theoretical, where you go to college, you have a ton of student that and then you go and work at Starbucks, and you're not even applying what you learned in school?

Ari Gronich 35:59  

Hey, don't knock Starbucks. No, you could not Starbucks, I want actually. So, you know, yeah, yeah, I was reading a book, to my son, I have these books called the value books. And each book has a different value, and then a historical character, who emulated that value. So the last book we read was understanding. And it was about Margaret Mead. And if you don't know who Margaret Mead was, she's an anthropologist who would travel around the world, she was actually the first anthropologists to travel to the place of the people in which she was studying, because everybody else was just studying the she actually went and lived amongst the people. And she went to the Samoan islands, and found that they were extremely happy adults, like really happy, like, unusually happy. And so she started studying over the course of months of living amongst them, she actually had them build her a hut that had no walls, so that she could hear and see the things going on, no matter what time of day it was. And so she figured out that these kids, by the age of six, were already starting to learn how to take care of the babies. By the time that they were teens, they already knew how to basically take care of an entire family. And by the time they got married, of which they were allowed to pick their own mate. They knew how to take care of each other because they had been taught all these things. So therefore, they were very happy people because they knew how to take care of each other. Another tribe on the Pacific Isles, you went to, they were very unhappy. As adults, they were allowed to do nothing but play as kids. So they didn't have any responsibilities that were given to them. They play 24/7, but they never learned how to take care of each other. And so when they were married through their arranged marriage, they didn't know how to take care of their spouse. They didn't know what to do next, they had to pay huge salaries, you know, to get married to the family. And so they were living in massive debt. Right. So everything was stressful and hard, and they weren't very happy people. And I found that really fascinating. The dichotomy between the two is, most parents, I think, think, in their heads, that if they make their kids do stuff, then they won't be happy. So let's not have them, make them do things. But then, when they get older, like these are the people who are going to be taking care of us when we're too old to take care of ourselves.

Phil Michaels 39:09  

They're not well equipped,

Ari Gronich 39:10  

and now they're not equipped at all. So we've created entire generations of kids in the last 50 years, maybe that have no idea how to take care of anything really

Phil Michaels 39:26  

a secret basic responsibilities and being independent as an adult. And you you make a great point and echoing that. You know, a lot of people say oh, I want to give my kids everything I never had. Well, instead of saying I want to give my kids everything I never had, why not teach them everything you never learned. And in addition to that, taking it a step further I hear what's the most common mistake I hear parents say is like, my kids come first. My kids are everything. Your kids feed off of your energy and your public. There's energy. So you should come first. It's just like the old adage in the airplane put on your own oxygen mask, before you help others, you have to put your own oxygen mask on. First, you have to fill up your own cup first before you could fill up somebody else's cup. So take care of you first as the individual as the parent, then you take care of your partner. Second, your partner should be second most important, and then your child because your partner is going to feed off your energy, and your child is going to feed off you and your partner's energy. So if you and your partner are not grounded, and are not happy, and are not in a safe emotional state, or not taking care of yourselves physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, how do you think your child is going to feed off that energy? They learned through mirror neurons, mirror neurons, they're mimicking the things that you do. This is why if you typically hold on this woman did this viral video actually and showed people what happens when she puts a toy in front of her child versus a everyday household object. So it'd be like a phone, and a play toy with tons of colors. And there was like 20 of them every single time the child chose the household object. You know why? Because the child is mimicking the things that you do. You're not playing with the child's toy, you're playing with the phone, with the remote with the household tape dispenser, whatever it may be, your child is mimicking the behaviors that you perform. So when you and your partner are not on good terms, or you're not healthy and happy. What do you think that's going to do to your child? What example does that set forth for your child. So instead of, I try to change the behavioral pattern that these parents are using, instead of saying, My children come first, tell your child that you come first. Because the more you serve yourself, the better you're going to be equipped that serving others. The more your cups fold, the more you're going to fill up everybody else's cup. If your cups empty, how could you possibly fill up somebody else's cup, so take care of you first, then your partner and then your child and your child's going to be a lot better off by taking care of you and your partner first? Here's Cheers to that. And speaking of happiness already, I know you will have something to say but so Dr. Shawn Aker. He's a Harvard professor. He's known in the scientific community of studying happiness more than any other scientist. And he has the most enrolled in class in Harvard history. And it's about happiness. And Tim Ferriss was interviewing and he asked him, all right, you know, Dr. Akers, what if we could map out what is the bare minimum we could do to have a statistical significant increase in our happiness? What's the bare minimum we can do with a highest return on investment for happiness? And he mapped out there's five things you can do on a daily basis. Number one

Ari Gronich 42:56  

second, I just want to I just want to emphasize to the audience that they really might want to take some notes on this one.

Phil Michaels 43:03  

Oh, absolutely. I mean, absolutely, is got this, it's important. And I'm going to give you a note taking trick in just a moment for you and your audience that I created, you're going to love this one. Because I know leaders are readers and I know your audience is definitely readers. So number one was meditate for two minutes or more, a minimum of two minutes or more. And it could be as simple as closing your eyes and focusing on your breath. It doesn't have to be a particular practice. So Shawn Aker number one, best ways to increase your happiness from a statistically significant way. Number one, meditate two minutes or more. Number two, cardiovascular exercise for a minimum of 15 minutes, all you need is 15 minutes each day. Number three, thanks or praise, give a message of thanks or praise to a different person each day. The only rule is it has to be a different person each day. And it could be as simple as a text message. An email just says, Hey, thanks for the hat. You gifted me or praise. Hey, you did a great job on that presentation yesterday, just wanted to let you know I'm thinking about your You did a great job trying to let you know, just a simple message of either thanks or praise to a different person each day. Number four is writing down three things you're grateful for each day. But here's the problem. It needs to be within the past 24 hours. Because what he found was most people when they're asked to write down what they're grateful for, they put their health, their friends, their happiness, their family, and they become desensitized to that over time. So it's got to be something that happened in the past 24 hours, so it's different each day. And lastly, number five, write down three details of a positive event that happened in the past 24 hours. And the neuroscience behind this is that you're very focused on the specifics though, the more specific you are the better. For example, Let's say you went on a date, I really love the shirt she was wearing, I really loved the taste of that pistachio crusted tilapia, I really loved the the ambiance of that in restaurant. So the more specific you are, the better three details were positive event that happened in the past 24 hours. So just to recap, meditation, two minutes or more cardiovascular exercise, 15 minutes or more, thanks, or praise to a different person each day, three things you're grateful for that had to have happened in the past 24 hours, and three details of a positive event that happened the past 24 hours, if you do those five things bare minimum, you're going to increase your happiness in a statistically significant level.

Ari Gronich 45:44  

Awesome. So I'm just going to give a little bit of a hint on a way to do the meditation, if you're having trouble with that is just light a candle and look at the candle. You know, keep your focus and keep the focus on your breath. That's just a way to keep focused. One of the things that that I know, because I do it all the time is I tell my kid to focus, right, but we don't ever teach our kids how to focus or what focus means. And kids have all these chemistry chemicals, you know, flooding around their body at all times going, I gotta do this, I gotta move, I gotta get up, I gotta, you know, they're constantly in this state of needing to have stimulus. And so when you tell them to focus, or to do something of that sort, like focus on your math for now, right? They can't focus because they've never been taught how to. And so this, the whole thing about meditation is so important for our kids, because they don't know how to focus. So we could tell them till the cows come home hood, got to focus got to focus got to this. But if we're not teaching them or showing them how that's done, they'll never,

Phil Michaels 47:02  

especially if, if the parent is not focusing, either you're telling your child to be focused, and you're not focused. And echoing your point, what I always tell people is, the more you become distracted, the better you become at being distracted. The more you practice focusing, the better you become at focusing. So if you look at it as a practice, that you're practicing this technique, so you get better and better at it, the better you're going to be, the more equipped you're going to be at doing. And what I teach people with meditation that are just starting out for beginners is picture this visual is this is great for kids too. It's not that you're trying to suppress the distractions or the thoughts, it's that you're tapping on them with an imaginary feather. So picture that's like a bubble. It's a cloud going by, or a balloon going by. And that's a thought or a distraction. bring your attention to it, bring your awareness to it, touch it with imaginary feather or your finger if you want, and it goes by and welcome them instead of trying to suppress them, just welcome them. So you're Cognizant and aware of the distraction that in and of itself is bringing yourself to a meditative state. So you're not trying to push them away. No clouds, no clouds, no distractions, no balloons. It's just up. There's a balloon. There's another one. There's a thought, Okay. Oh, there's another one just went by and it be great beginner apps for children is called headspace and adults too. But they have meditations specifically for kids zero to three years old as well and older, but it's called headspace. It's a great beginner app, another great beginner app is calm. And if you don't like either of those and you'd like more variety, there's one called insight timer. Insight timer is a platform for meditation practitioners from around the world to offer their meditations to you. So they have tons of meditations, long, short, guided, unguided. So there's a plethora, a multitude of different meditations that you can choose from on insight time. I personally am trained in Transcendental Meditation is completely unguided. Created by Maharishi from Maharishi University in Iowa, but it's a it's been used for a long time. But starting out, I think these are better. And it's a great way. And Ari, I wanted to share with your audience that note taking trick that I created, it's a reading trick app. So this book is called The Power of Habit, but I'm just going to use this book as an example. So have you seen this pen before? It's a four color Bic pen, pretty popular, you probably remember it from childhood. Usually it's a blue and white casing. But I want to I created this because I was reading a lot of books a book a week I started in 2014. And I noticed that I wasn't assimilating the knowledge. I wasn't able to remember it after I'd read the book. And I thought a book is only as good as how often you reference back to it and apply what you learned in your real life. So I came up with a trick because what I realized with highlighter The highlighter fades after about a year. And so it doesn't work for long term. So I use this pen. And each color represents a different tactic, which I'm going to teach you now. So blue is my version of using a highlighter. So any major concept in the book, I'll underline in blue, just like you would with a highlighter. Green is an action item. So anytime a book is recommended in the book, or there's a person or a company, I will go and look it up, that's an action item for me to go look at. So that one's in green. Red is for any word I am not familiar with. So I will write the definition in the book and underline it in red. And then Black, the last one is the most important. So the black one is for these little post it notes. So I take these many post it notes, I put the page number and the concept that I learned in that book. So that way, when I want to reference back to this book, I don't have to reread the whole thing, I just go back to all the major concepts. And I see so for example, this one is self discipline is more important than IQ. And everything in blue will be about that concept. So I just have to read what I highlighted in blue. Here's one I wrote down. This is a study showing that willpower is stronger when they have their own autonomy. So obviously, that's what that blue highlighting is going to be about. So this four color pen trick anyone can use. And it helps you assimilate the knowledge even more so ingrained in your brain deeper. So my friends always tell me like I don't have to read any more books, I'll just talk to Phil, and he'll give me the breakdown of what happened in that book. And I attribute it not to my own intelligence, but to this habit that I've trained myself on.

Ari Gronich 51:46  

Wow. So we should call you Cliff Notes. And

Phil Michaels 51:51  

I share more hacks like this and tricks on my website to I am Philmichaels.com, where your audience can learn more about these little performance hacks I like to share.

Ari Gronich 52:01  

Cool, absolutely, that'd be awesome. And we'll we'll get to that at the end, we'll have an opportunity for you to, you know, have your how to find these and how to you know, things like that. So one of the things that you mentioned in our communication was turning your men's retreat, the bro retreat into a monthly retreat. So why don't you talk a little bit about that. I'm a sterling Institute of relationships grads, so I have been in men's organizations for 20 years now I did my weekend actually in 2000. And I was on the production core team for 10 years. So I was on a men's team, as on the production team, we did men's and women's weekends, four of them a year. And so I mean, I have a lot of experience in this realm. And I also know some of the foibles that happen within those kinds of organizations incestuous pneus, in some cases, and those organizations have, you know, mixing and clicking and so on and so forth. So, tell us a little bit about this men's retreat. You call it the bro richer or rotary and and what it is that this is trying to accomplish? And are I why would you want it to be a once a month thing?

Phil Michaels 53:31  

Sure. So a few years ago, I had been wanting I love traveling, I had been wanting to travel the world with other high achievers, people that are the top 1% of their game, really high peak performers. And so I started selfishly for myself, and brought some friends that I also knew were high achievers, and we just started traveling to a different city. And I started developing a curriculum, I didn't realize how important it was to people to men specifically, I wanted a place to not only travel, but be around other high peak performers. And also have a trusted, safe environment where we could be open and vulnerable with each other share things that don't emasculate us like we can maintain our masculinity while being vulnerable. And you can't, you don't always have someone to do that with. That's what I tell people about coaching. There's a stigma, just like there was back in the day about therapy, and therapists and mental health, there's seems to be still a stigma with coaching. And I always tell people, there's very few people in your life that you could talk to, that don't have a conflict of interest or an inherent bias can always tell your co founders, your investors, your board members, everything can always tell your family and friends or your significant other, not because you don't trust them or you can't be honest, but more so they have an inherent bias they come with or they have a conflict of interest. So a coach is someone that you can confide in that's directly invested in your success and your success only. Well, this makes retreat is a part of that. We wanted a place where we could feed off each other's energy help each other level up, but in a trusting, safe environment. So we, we challenge each other physically, mentally and emotionally. And there's a curriculum I've now built, it's four to five days. And each day is, is built off of a different theme. So one day is about relationships. One day is about physical transformation. One's about mental transformation. And we pick a different city each year. So the last day of each event will pick the city and date of the next one. So it's already we vote on it, and we pick in we're doing Vancouver, we just did Park City, Utah, and I surprised them so I take them to different physical, physically challenging experiences. So we went to the Olympic Training Facility for the US Olympic bobsled team. And we took them bobsledding. So that's the ice loser, you go down in the in the sled, and you're going 73 miles an hour down this ice luge, and it was amazing. And they had no idea we competed. So we had different teams trying to see who could get the fastest time. And we just do a lot of fun, physically active stuff, because you got to get in the mind and the body, they're so closely connected. And a lot of these retreats I found, one are not high achievers, or people that are just like on their last, you know, thread and they're just trying to look for that next, you know, gift that will bring them over the edge, or I found that they're not physically in tune, they're very in the head. And if you get in the head too much in the head, you're dead, as they say. So you've got to get in tune with the body. And it's one of the reasons I start my day off with rebounding. I'll get to that in a moment. But to answer your question, like why do I want to do it monthly, because the more and more I do these retreats, the more I'm realizing how many men are looking for a place like this, where they can maintain their masculinity, not feel uncomfortable sharing their truth, their honesty, being vulnerable, and but also challenged themselves physically, mentally and emotionally in a place of other high achievers that force them to level up.

Ari Gronich 57:09  

That's pretty cool. I think you and I probably could talk a little bit about about doing some collaboration with that my brother, who I told you as a high school teacher, on his side hustle, he teaches survival training, so both urban and wilderness, survival of it, Marines, he's taught Air Force, he's taught army, you know, he goes around, but he's also a master dive instructor. And so I've certifications and things like that he's a rescue diver. So, you know, I've been looking at how do I incorporate some of what he does in some corporate retreats for corporate culture and corporate wellness. But, you know, this, he he's a, an amazing resource for, for this stuff. And he's totally not an entrepreneur. He grew up in the same house that I grew up with, you know, and his response was, I don't want to have anything to do with that entrepreneur stuff, because he saw the ups and downs of it, or it's very volatile. With with me, I was like, hey, that's, it seems seems like a good life to me. So that, you know, represents different ways we can be raised in the same house with the same parents with the same training completely different people, right. But yeah, so it would be an awesome extension of of doing that

Phil Michaels 58:42  

I'm going to keep for sharing

Ari Gronich 58:44  

some survival training with, with corporations with people, as you know, what, what do we look at? We look at the world. And we look at our problems, right? We look at what what the issues are going on. So we're having a healthcare crisis. If you were to look down your street, in Tampa, your block, right? How many people do you think could put on a 75 pound sack and go marching down for 10 miles a jungle? for military, right? Probably not a whole lot of people have that physical prowess anymore. Used to be that that could be done normally. Nowadays, it's it's tough. So when we look at health care, we look at our military and our safety as a country. If we're not a healthy nation, we're not going to be healthy enough to be able to defend ourselves. If we're not educated. We're not going to be smart enough to defend ourselves. Right? These are all things that that we have going on. So as far as like the education, what you're bringing forth to the education, cognitive and critical thinking skills and so on. This is gonna be huge for the country at large. Thank you means a lot. Oh, absolutely. And healthcare is the same way. If we can't get our community to be healthy, then how are we going to ever be that superpower that we've been going forward in the future, we've already dropped? I think we're 46. In the world, as far as education, where, you know, heart health is 40 something if nationwide, or, you know, worldwide, as far as our nation in the world's market. So we've actually taken this amazing idea of a country. And over the last 50 years, we have slowly dismantled a lot of what we had created in the first 200 years. And so what I'm looking at is okay, so how do we create more solutions? And how do we create more solution providers? How do we get people back into those critical thinking and common set of skills so that we can actually create a new tomorrow today? Is my favorite one of my favorite things create a new tomorrow today, as part of the show? How do we create a new tomorrow today, by shifting the focus of what we've been doing over the last 50 years, and kind of refocus back into the greatness of our people and the greatness of our country. I'm not very much of a patriot, I'm not patriotic, as far as that. I'm just somebody who lives in a place and I see all of the gaps that we have left for chaos to ensue. So, you know, talk a little bit about the healthcare, you were in medicine for a while you got to spend time with the Yankees, you got to spend time in hospitals and in surgeries. Right. So what did you see as the biggest issues to our medical system at that point, that could easily be transferred, you know, transformed?

Phil Michaels 1:02:21  

Yeah, it's a great question. There's a lot to unpack there. Working in healthcare, I saw it firsthand that it should be really called sick care, not health care, because the whole system is incentivized, based on how sick you are. And until we change the incentives, we're never going to see change. So that's why behavioral economics would be one of the things that I teach children. And behavioral economics is choice architecture, human centered design, design thinking. There's decision fatigue involved. And there's a great book on this by Nobel laureates, Dr. Fowler and Sunstein in the book, nudge and nudge is an easy way to explain behavioral economics, but it's all about how humans make decisions. So little things like relevant today, voting. So do you know depending on which order the presidential candidate is provided in the ballot, will influence your decision on who you vote for. So the first name on the ballot is more often chosen than the second name, just because it's the one that's listed first. So they'll typically on ballots, they'll typically randomize the order to prevent that from happening from skewing the results. But if you're a human being and I asked you that, do you think that has an effect on your decision? You would say no, but it's happening subconsciously. So behavioral economics is all about teaching you how to incentivize the right decisions. Another example of this is a guy in the UK owned a restaurant. And in the men's bathrooms, he noticed there was a lot of urine spillage out of the urinals, and it was costing his business money because he had to pay for extra cleaning supplies more often than he wanted to, then he should. His theory, his hypothesis was that men are bored, and so they're not aiming properly into the urinal. So he created these fake housefly, stickers that he put in the back of the urinal for men to aim at while they're peeing in the urinal. And it don't quote me on the number but it reduced urine spillage by like 30 something percent, to the point where it saved his business a lot of money. So he actually started a business selling these fake fly stickers to other restaurants and bars, and also became the founder of this company that or he inspired this thought of little soccer goals where there's a hanging soccer ball and you aim for the soccer ball and it kicks it into the net and NFL American football field goals or you kick the football through You just aim at the ball and it shoots it through and it works. So let those are an example in the book that they share of little ways that you can influence human behavior. In a subconscious subliminal message. Another one was with energy. So energy consumption, they tested this in California, and found that out of all variables to impact human behavior, social peer pressure does the best job of impacting how you behave. So they tested this with energy consumption in your home. So what they would do is the energy company would send you a bill in the mail of your how much usage you had. And they will show you how you compare to your neighbors in the same neighborhood. So it shows you on a scale, if you're average, above average, and consumption or below average, and consumption says in your neighborhood, you are above average and your consumption. So people reduce their consumption, more than any other time that they had been influenced to change their energy consumption, they wanted to test it even more. So they added colors. So if you are above average, that was bad, they gave you a red color. If you were below average, that was good, they give you a green color that influenced their behavior of consumption even more, then they took it a step further already and added an emoji, a smiley face if they were good, or a frown face if they're bad, and that influenced their behavior even more. But if I asked you is that, do you think if I put on your bill that if I added green or red or smiley face or a frowny face, it would affect your consumption of energy? You'd be like, no, Phil, come on, that's not gonna influence me. But it does, subconsciously. So healthcare is not going to change unless we incentivize humans, whether it's monetarily or through social influence, peer pressure, to influence their decision making in the way that we want them to decide. Unless we do that, we're not going to see change. So we need to make sure the the incentives and punishments are aligned with good behavior. We have to incentivize insurance companies in a way that doesn't impact their their bottom dollar that influences them in a way that they're going to be incentivized to take care of people. And to focus on preventative health care, we're going to have to help doctors be influenced with correct incentives and punishments. Right now, we're rewarding the wrong behaviors. An example this is Trump, a lot of people say, oh, Trump doesn't believe in climate change. Of course, he believes in climate change, he's just paid way more by big oil and gas than he is by a renewable energy company. So until you make the incentive is more valuable for him to make a decision. Otherwise, you're going to continue to have the same. So a lot of people might think that just by stomping the ground and shouting and yelling, and complaining is going to resolve an impact. But a better way, a better approach is behavioral economics, changing choice architecture, to a point where it incentivizes the correct behaviors. So seeing healthcare, it's antiquated, it's flawed, in my opinion, and we talked about this briefly before, but in my opinion, insurance should be used for emergencies, not for preventative health care, it should be like car insurance, with a car, you pay for your gas, you pay for the oil change out of pocket, right, you know what the price is, and you pay for and you can price shop, you can go to this oil change mechanic or this oil change mechanic and see which one do you want to go with. But for an emergency, you have car insurance, if you get into a car accident, that's when you use your insurance, you don't use your insurance for preventative health of your vehicle. So what why not use health care the same way for preventative health, let's influence people to make the right decisions. Because if not, they're going to have to pay out of pocket at this doctor price shopping versus this doctor, they're going to know how much it costs them, rather than hiding it through insurance codes, which a lot of insurance companies do. They don't want you to know how much you're paying for each service. But if we're able to have the transparent pricing bill passed, then people will know exactly what they're paying for. And they'll be able to price shop at each doctor and use insurance for emergencies only, like if you have to go to the ER or you get cancer, etc.

Ari Gronich 1:09:12  

Right. And, you know, there's a piece of that that I would agree with, I definitely agree with changing the incentives changing, you know, from procedure base to results based incentivization so that, you know, you're not doing all of these extras and fraudulent procedures because if you do more, you get paid more. You know, I like if you get 10 people to quit smoking and they quit smoking for over six months, you get a bonus. And then if you get 20 people to quit smoking, you get another bonus right? That would be more the incentives. I believe that doctors should be on a straight salaried kind of pay. I think that their school should be taken care of They shouldn't be living in debt and fear of money

Phil Michaels 1:10:05  

of average doctor I think comes out with an average of

Ari Gronich 1:10:08  

200, 250. About

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I think I see you blinking again.

Phil Michaels 1:10:41  

Oh, there you are.

Ari Gronich 1:10:43  

Are you blinking again? All right. You're back.

Phil Michaels 1:10:47  

I By the way, I have like seven minutes until my next meeting.

Ari Gronich 1:10:52  

So, um, anyway, let's just finish that that thought. So you were about to respond to what I said.

Phil Michaels 1:11:01  

Yeah, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. And I think we can incentivize instead of waiting for them to quit smoking. Yeah, we should reward them for quitting smoking. But let's incentivize them before they even start. So your insurance should be cheaper if you don't smoke in the first place. And for most they are but there should be other ways to incentivize people to start out healthy, rather than waiting till they're already smoking and trying to quit, let's incentivize, hey, if you go have a gym membership, and you're actually showing up six days a week, or however many days a week, you want to decide your insurance is going to be lower than someone that's morbidly obese, and not eating the right foods and not exercising properly. Like we should incentivize them to buy monat monetarily to reward them for good behavior. So in behavioral economics, we learn that people will do do more to avoid pain than they will to seek pleasure. So we want to make the pain great enough that they avoid it. So if you start smoking, your cost is going to go up by this much. And they should know exactly how much it is how much it's going to go up. We should know exactly if they are eating the wrong foods. If they're not exercising properly, they should know exactly how much that's going to cost them. So they're fearful of that pain, and they avoided at all costs.

Ari Gronich 1:12:20  

Right? I think that that might be a good thing. I think that more of the the incentivizing doctors and incentivizing the system itself, was where I was getting at versus incentivizing people, because I think that when we incentivize people, we have to encompass such a wide variety of things. Like, are you eating healthy? Okay, well, what does that mean? Are you eating fruit and vegetable that's covered in pesticides? You eating vegetables covered in, you know, soil in that are organic? Are you eating, you know, like, the entire grade point into what is designed to make people unhealthy? Right, it's designed to make you obese. So if the system is designed to make you obese, and you're following the system, as it is, then why should you be punished for being obese? If your body is holding on to pesticides, toxins, air particles, drugs that are in the water, it's cetera, right?

Phil Michaels 1:13:20  

I agree, I think it should be done on both ends. So not just

Ari Gronich 1:13:23  

right, it has to be on both sides sides of the argument. People need to be responsible for their actions, and the government and the incentives that we give agriculture and the chemical industries and the pharmaceutical industries and so forth, they need to be decent set of eyes. And actually, their incentives need to be not getting massive fines for poisoning our air poisoning our water, not like the fines that are out there right now, according to the EPA, if you're making $20 million, by dumping your toxic waste into the ocean, and the fine is a million dollars, you're going to continue to dump your toxic waste into the ocean. And that's kind of the difference in in, in the US that are kind of behind the times. Right? So the incentives are going towards poisoning the air poisoning the water because the consequences are less

Phil Michaels 1:14:32  

dire and not doing it. Yeah.

Ari Gronich 1:14:34  

But here's my point and I'll leave the audience with this. The less dire is only in monetary pain. Your family has cancer. Your family has diabetes. Your family has heart disease, your family has all these other issues because of these decisions outside of yourself. Yes, that are being incentivized by the Government and big. Therefore, it is still incumbent upon you to make the decision to choose organic to choose to go for a walk instead of sit on your button couch and watch TV right to do different kinds of things. So, absolutely. And I think that Phil, we should probably do about 20 more of these. But

Phil Michaels 1:15:26  

thanks for having me. It's been it's been such a pleasure.

Ari Gronich 1:15:28  

Yeah, I go on your show, but I'm way over 30. So. But anyway, give every episode we give three really actionable things that the audience can do in order to change their world create a new tomorrow today. So why don't we get those and then how people can get ahold of you if they'd like to learn more about you and and what you have to offer them.

Phil Michaels 1:15:56  

You can go to I am Philmichaels.com, or I'm on Instagram, and IamPhilMichaels keep it easy, and happy to share hacks, performance tricks, and further education company is Tembotexts.com, like text messages, Tembo texts, and we'll put these in the show notes, maybe. But to answer your question, oh, by the way, the podcast that I run is you could just search Phil Michaels. But it's the podcast that only interviews it's only one in the world that interviews people that have made the Forbes list like LeBron James, Kylie Jenner, people, entrepreneurs from YouTube, Instagram, etc. so amazing, amazing people. And three things that you could do to change your life starting now. The three things that changed my life, the books that you read, the people that you spend the most time around, and the places that you've traveled, change those three things. The books you read, the people you spend the most time with, and the places you travel, and you will change your life. Go out, explore the world, leaders are readers, and you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. So we need to disrupt these three, and I guarantee your life will change more than its average change before.

Ari Gronich 1:17:15  

Thank you so much. And this has been a another great episode of create a new tomorrow, where we're helping you create a new tomorrow today. I'm your host, Ari Gronich and thank you so much. We are out of here. Thanks. Ari. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

Hi, I am here with Phil Michaels. Phil Michaels is a Forbes 30 Under 30 entrepreneur and finalist for ABC’s Shark Tank who’s spoken in 24 countries. After founding Tembo Education, Phil has since become a performance coach, coaching mostly CEOs from Harvard and MIT, but also includes the #1-ranked poker player in the world and #1-ranked Saudi rapper in Dubai. He’s also the host of the only podcast in the world that exclusively interviews entrepreneurs that made the Forbes 30 Under 30 list. here is a glimpse of the episode hope you enjoy it. Hear it live on Monday at 6 Am for the full episode in your favorite podcast app.

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Phil Michaels 0:00  

And a buddy of mine and I decided to start a mobile fitness app while I was working for the New York Yankees team physician and we ended up becoming finalists for ABC TV show Shark Tank. And I was enthralled by this idea already, that you could be an entrepreneur and was like, wow, you can impact so many more people as an entrepreneur, than if I'm a doctor. I can only see so many patients with a business. I could create lasting impact forever with as many people as I want.