Host Benjamin Shapiro and guest Matthew McGrory, Co-founder and CEO of Arwen AI, debate a fundamental marketing dilemma: should brands prioritize customer engagement metrics or brand visibility KPIs on social media? Matthew champions engagement as the core purpose of social platforms, especially for B2B startups operating on tight budgets. Benjamin offers a nuanced take, noting that brand visibility is essential for early-stage companies seeking awareness before engagement can follow. Their conversation explores how factors like company size, growth stage, and B2B vs. B2C models influence strategy, while also touching on creative, low-cost visibility tactics—like branded sun hats at Cannes Lions—that can boost presence without breaking the bank.

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