They demanded it, so here we are: satisfying the masses with a conversation featuring just Jon and Dave. But even a simple chat can’t escape the daily grind. The fellas dive deep into the brutal reality of music promotion and Jon explains the existential crisis behind his deadpan viral video where he unwraps his own albums as gifts, and why his new album, Scenarios, required the discipline to only include songs he truly loves.

They also discuss youth club sports, debating the provocative idea that these leagues are a business. If parents are the customers, do they have the right to refuse tournaments or quit the team if the product isn’t delivered? Plus, Jon reflects on how competitive swimming and classical piano instilled the essential "acceptance of daily grind," even when all he wanted to do was quit.

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