Debbie Millman is currently the Editorial and Creative Director of Print Magazine, but she has an insane track record going back decades: she’s the author of 6 books including “How To Think Like A Great Graphic Designer,” a prolific design writer in outlets like NYT, Fast Company, and Design Observer, chairs the Masters In Branding program at SVA (co-founded with Steven Heller), and hosts a long running podcast called “design matters” which has done 265 episodes over 10 years with legends and icons like Michael Beirut, Stephen Heller, Chip Kidd, Massimo Vignelli, Isaac Mizrahi and Malcolm Gladwell.

Today on the podcast,

* She says that “confidence is overrated.” This is something I know a lot of you struggle with and I love how she talks about this. Confidence is created by repeatedly doing something, and if you’ve never done something before how could you have confidence? Confidence - in her view - is the easy part. It’s finding the courage to do the thing when you DON’T have confidence that is the gamechanger.

* The importance of teaching: why Milton Glaser said it’s the most important thing he ever did and why Debbie has always made it a big focus in her own career-- because as she says, when she teaches, the students teach HER

* Why even hyper-achieving legends struggle with feelings of unworthiness and what the levers are for coping with it. This is a nearly universal thing that’s very rarely talked about, and it’s super important that you put your own mechanism in place to keep it from sabotaging your success.

Enjoy!

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