Decoder with Nilay Patel

Decoder with Nilay Patel

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    1 min
  • The AI industry is at a major crossroads

    This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. It’s been a very big news week in AI, and a lot of it had to do with OpenAI, its DevDay in San Francisco this week, and the viral explosion of AI-generated video thanks to the company’s new Sora app. 

    So I brought in Kanjun Qiu, CEO of AI startup Imbue and a close watcher of the industry, to break down what’s really happening, why it’s happening, and the societal implications of it all.

    Links:

    • All of the updates from OpenAI DevDay 2025 | The Verge
    • OpenAI wasn’t expecting Sora’s copyright drama | The Verge
    • I’ve fallen into Sora’s slippery slop | The Verge
    • Sora 2 users are having fun with Sam Altman’s face | The Verge
    • OpenAI will let developers build apps that work inside ChatGPT | The Verge
    • OpenAI wants ChatGPT to be your future operating system | Wired
    • Sora 2 watermark removers flood the web | 404 Media
    • What the arrival of AI-fabricated video means for us | NYT
    • Recruiters use AI to scan résumés — applicants are trying to trick it | NYT
    • Employers are buried in AI-generated résumés | NYT
    • Credits:

      Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

      Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams.

      The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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      45 min
    • Rivian CEO on CarPlay, Lidar, and affordable EVs

      I’m Joanna Stern, the senior personal tech columnist at The Wall Street Journal, and this is my final Decoder episode filling in for Nilay while he’s out on parental leave. My guest today: Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe. This is RJ’s third time on the show, and it felt like the perfect follow-up to my conversation last week with Ford CEO Jim Farley.

      I loved the idea of going straight from Ford to Rivian. And if you listened to the Farley episode, this one flows nicely. RJ and I cover a lot of the same challenges: tariffs, China, EV pricing. Of course, I also asked about CarPlay. 

      Read the full transcript on The Verge.

      Links: 

      • A pretty fascinating look under the hood of the Rivan R2 | The Verge
      • Rivian CEO says CarPlay isn’t going to happen | The Verge
      • Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe says too many carmakers are copying Tesla | Decoder
      • Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe isn't scared of the Cybertruck | Decoder
      • Rivian breaks ground on $5 billion Georgia plant | AP
      • Rivian narrows 2025 delivery guidance Q3 as production slips | WSJ
      • Rivian R2 remains on track for $45,000 and 2026 production | Car and Driver
      • Credits:

        Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

        Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

        The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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        51 min
      • The good, the bad, and the future of AI agents

        This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. Today, I’m talking with David Hershey, who leads the applied AI team at Anthropic. I wanted to have David on because earlier this week, Anthropic released a brand-new AI model called Claude Sonnet 4.5 that’s been making waves.

        So I wanted to sit down with David, who spends a lot of time testing out what modes like Claude Sonnet 4.5 can and can’t do, to ask him where we are on this promise of AI agents, and also what the path forward looks like as agentic technology progresses.

        Links: 

        • Anthropic releases Claude Sonnet 4.5 in latest bid for AI agents | The Verge
        • ChatGPT’s built-in Buy Now button has arrived | The Verge
        • OpenAI really wants you to start your day with ChatGPT Pulse | The Verge
        • Anthropic’s Claude AI is playing Pokémon | The Verge 
        • AI agents are science fiction not yet ready for primetime | The Verge
        • Agents are the future AI companies promise and need | The Verge 
        • Amazon is betting on agents to win the AI race | Decoder
        • Credits:

          Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

          Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

          The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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          47 min
        • Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV

          This is Joanna Stern, senior personal technology columnist at The Wall Street Journal. I’m the last Monday guest host filling in for Nilay here on Decoder while he’s out on parental leave with his adorable new son, and I’m very excited to be talking today to Ford CEO Jim Farley.

          I’m a longtime Decoder listener and my favorite episodes are car episodes. I think car CEOs are currently facing some of the most fascinating and complex challenges in both tech and business. So when I was asked to guest host the show I said, “That’s it, car CEOs.” And Farley was at the top of the list. This was a great conversation that covered a lot of ground. I think you’re going to like it. 

          Read the full transcript on The Verge.

          Links:

          • I’ve been driving an EV for a year. I have only one regret. | WSJ
          • Ford reveals breakthrough process for lower priced EVs | The Verge
          • Ford is betting the future on smaller EV batteries | The Verge
          • Ford is doubling down on EVs — the timing is awful | The Verge
          • Ford’s CEO on the essential economy and its untapped potential | Aspen Institute
          • Ford rejigs EV plans after suffering billions in losses | NYT
          • Why Americans can’t buy the world’s best electric car | NYT
          • Ford CEO Jim Farley on building the electric F-150 | Decoder
          • Credits:

            Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

            Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

            The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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            1 hr 4 min
          • How AI safety took a backseat to military money

            This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge — and your Thursday episode guest host. I have another couple of shows for you while Nilay is out on parental leave, and we’re going to be spending more time diving into some of the unforeseen consequences of the generative AI boom.

            Today, I’m talking with Heidy Khlaaf, who is chief AI scientist at the AI Now Institute, about the tech industry’s shift toward AI military applications. I wanted to know what’s motivated this shift, and why Heidy thinks leading AI firms are being far too cavalier about deploying generative AI in high-risk scenarios.


            Links:

            • OpenAI is softening its stance on military use | The Verge
            • OpenAI awarded $200 million US defense contract | The Verge
            • OpenAI is partnering with defense tech company Anduril | The Verge
            • Anthropic launches new Claude service for military and intelligence use | The Verge
            • Anthropic, Palantir, Amazon team up on defense AI | Axios
            • Google scraps promise not to develop AI weapons | The Verge
            • Microsoft employees occupy headquarters in protest of Israel contracts | The Verge
            • Microsoft’s employee protests have reached a boiling point | The Verge
            • Credits:

              Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

              Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

              The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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              43 min
            • Dropout CEO Sam Reich on business, comedy, and keeping culture weird

              Guest host Hank Green talks with his friend Dropout CEO Sam Reich about keeping a business simple, trying to run a company the “right way,” and why the internet should be full of as many weird little projects as possible.

              Read the full transcript on The Verge.

              Links: 

              • How CollegeHumor reinvented itself for the new internet age | People
              • CollegeHumor shaped online comedy. What went wrong? [2020] | Wired
              • ‘I believe in this enough to try to do it myself’ [2020] | Digiday
              • Jacob Wysocki needed a minute to process that Game Changer | Vulture
              • Game Changer smartly weaponizes its online following | Mashable
              • Vimeo CEO Philip Moyer is betting on the human touch | Decoder
              • Vimeo to be acquired by Bending Spoons for $1.38B | The Verge
              • Credits:

                Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

                Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

                The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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                1 hr 6 min
              • How chatbots — and their makers — are enabling AI psychosis

                Verge senior AI reporter Hayden Field and New York Times reporter Kashmir Hill discuss the significant mental health impact AI chatbots, such as ChatGPT, can have on users — both people in crisis, and also people who seemed stable.

                This episode contains non-detailed discussions of suicide and mental illness. If you or someone you know is in crisis, considering self-harm, or needs to talk, please call the Lifeline at 988.


                Links: 

                • A teen was suicidal. ChatGPT was the friend he confided in. | New York Times
                • Sam Altman says ChatGPT will stop talking about suicide with teens | The Verge
                • Chatbots can go into a delusional spiral. Here’s how. | New York Times
                • Why is ChatGPT telling people to email me? | New York Times
                • They asked an AI chatbot questions. The answers sent them spiraling. | New York Times
                • She is in love with ChatGPT | The New York Times
                • ‘I feel like I’m going crazy’: ChatGPT fuels delusional spirals | Wall Street Journal
                • Meta, OpenAI face FTC inquiry on chatbots’ impact on kids | Bloomberg
                • Credits:

                  Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

                  Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

                  The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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                  51 min
                • How brands and creators are fighting for your attention — and your money

                  This is Hank Green, the cofounder of Complexly. I’m back for my second guest hosting spot here on Decoder while Nilay is out on parental leave. Today, I’m talking with Digitas CEO Amy Lanzi, who runs a major marketing and ad agency. You might remember Amy; Nilay interviewed her for Decoder live at an event in New York City almost a year ago. But Nilay, who runs what might be the last website on Earth, has a very different perspective on the world of digital marketing than I do. So as a career YouTuber, I had a lot of questions for someone in a position like Amy’s. 

                  Links: 

                  • Digitas unveils new generative AI platform, Digitas AI |  Digitas

                  • Amy Lanzi on steering Digitas through the demands of modern marketing | Sightly

                  • Introducing Reddit Community Intelligence | Reddit

                  • Digitas North America announces Amy Lanzi as CEO | Digitas

                    Credits:

                    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

                    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

                    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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                    1 hr 2 min
                  • Sierra CEO Bret Taylor on why the AI bubble feels like the dotcom boom

                    This is Alex Heath. For my final episode as your Thursday episode guest host, I recently sat down with Bret Taylor, the CEO of AI startup Sierra and the chairman of OpenAI, for a live event in San Francisco hosted by Alix Partners. 

                    Bret has worked at Google, Facebook, and Salesforce in high-level, executive roles, and he led Twitter’s board during Elon Musk’s takeover, so very few people have seen the tech industry up close like Bret has. Now, he’s all in on AI. We covered a lot of ground in this conversation, and I hope you find Bret’s perspective as fascinating as I did.

                    Links:

                    • Ex-Salesforce co-CEO Bret Taylor’s Sierra is the latest $10 billion AI startup | CNBC
                    • I talked to Sam Altman about the GPT-5 launch fiasco | Verge
                    • Sam Altman says ‘yes,’ AI is in a bubble | Verge
                    • MIT study on AI profits rattles tech investors | Axios
                    • GPT-5 Pro can prove new, interesting mathematics | Sebastien Bubeck
                    • AI chatbots are ready to talk to customers. Sort of. | WSJ
                    • How is AI different than other technology waves? | Acquired Podcast
                    • Credits:

                      Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

                      Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

                      The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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                      52 min

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