In the first episode of Season 8, Michael speaks to Derek Webb. Derek Webb is a musician who has always bravely asked the big questions in his music and invited others to do the same. In this episode, Derek and Michael Gungor chat about music, spirituality and why the two have been so intertwined for both of them.

Some helpful timestamps for this episode:

2:30- Derek Webb introduces himself

5:00- Michael and Derek discuss their similar music careers

9:00- Derek talks about meaning

13:00- Michael talks about ambiguity in Christian art

21:30- Michael asks how spirituality and music are intertwined in Derek’s music

31:00- Derek talks about the difficulties of moving between and beyond spirituality

40:30- Derek talks about limitations in art

46:00- Derek tells a story about limits in creation

50:15- Michael asks where Derek’s art is now

57:00- Michael begin interrogating the idea of “belief”

1:06:15- Derek talks about the utility of language without reverence

1:10:00- Derek talks about his philosophical position with his new album “The Jesus Hypothesis”