Deviate

Disaster Artist writer Tom Bissell on bogus authenticity and violence in art


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“If you go through your life expecting moral purity from every artist you love, you’re going to have a very lonely life, aesthetically.” – Tom Bissell

Tom Bissell is an American author, journalist, and critic. He co-authored the book The Disaster Artist, which has been adapted into a movie starring James Franco, Seth Rogen, Dave Franco, and Alison Brie.

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Tom discuss Metallica and thrash metal (5:25); violence in music and video games (23:30); how one’s relationship to one’s own writing transforms over time (28:10); the shallowness of cultural criticism in social-media (33:55); the dubious concept of “authenticity” as applied to food, music, and travel (42:00); co-writingThe Disaster Artist with actor Greg Sestero, and making sense of The Room (58:50); and finding joy and contentment within the creative process (1:06:00).

Articles, books and movies:

  • The Geto Boys, by Rolf Potts
  • Slayer’s Reign in Blood, by D.X. Ferris
  • Some Kind of Monster (documentary film about Metallica)
  • The Defiant Ones (documentary about Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre)
  • Straight Outta Compton (movie about N.W.A)
  • My Holy Land Vacation,” by Tom Bissell
  • Euphorias of Perrier: The Case Against Robert D. Kaplan,” by Tom Bissell
  • One Man’s Odyssey into ‘Eat, Pray, Love’,” by Rolf Potts
  • Masters of Doom: How Two Guys Created an Empire and Transformed Pop Culture, by David Kushner
  • Deep South: Four Seasons on Back Roads, by Paul Theroux
  • The Mystical High Church of Luck,” by Rolf Potts (about Las Vegas)
  • Humor Doesn’t Translate Internationally,” by Rolf Potts (about The Asylum)
  • Bands, songs, and albums mentioned

    • Metallica (thrash-metal band)
    • Anthrax (thrash-metal band)
    • Slayer (thrash-metal band)
    • Testament (thrash-metal band)
    • The Exploited (punk band)
    • Public Enemy (rap group)
    • NWA (rap group)
    • Angel of Death” (song, by Slayer)
    • Wake up Dead” (song, by Megadeth)
    • “Indians” (song, by Anthrax)
    • “Creeping Death” (song, by Metallica)
    • “Disposable Heroes” (song, by Metallica)
    • The Black Album (1991 album, by Metallica)
    • Other Links:

      • Dungeons & Dragons books
      • Cliff Burton (Metallica bassist)
      • Chuck D (rap artist)
      • James Smith (Rap-A-Lot Records founder)
      • Dr. Dre (music producer)
      • Rick Rubin (music producer)
      • Paul Theroux (travel writer)
      • Pico Iyer (travel writer)
      • 33 1/3 (book series)
      • Virtue signaling (concept)
      • Tom Bissell’s favorite Metallica albums:

        • Kill ‘Em All (1983)
        • Ride the Lightning (1984)
        • Master of Puppets (1986)
        • …And Justice to All (1988)
        • St. Anger (2003)
        • Death Magnetic (2008)
        • Hardwired..to Self-Destruct (2016)
        • Other books by Tom Bissell:

          • Chasing the Sea: Lost Among the Ghosts of Empire in Central Asia (2003)
          • God Lives in St. Petersburg: and Other Stories (2005)
          • The Father of All Things: A Marine, His Son, and the Legacy of Vietnam (2007)
          • Extra Lives: Why Video Games Matter (2010)
          • Magic Hours: Essays On Creators and Creation (2012)
          • Apostle: Travels Among the Tombs of the Twelve (2016)
          • This episode was sponsored by the Paris Writing Workshop, an intensive one-month course in the artistic heart of Europe.

            The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

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