Dr. John Vervaeke

In this episode, John Vervaeke, Iain McGilchrist, and Daniel Schmachtenberger dive deep into the metacrisis, unraveling its intricate layers. They discuss the role of hemispheric differences in shaping human experiences and worldviews, explore the contemporary meaning crisis, and analyze how human psychology intersects with global crises. Throughout their conversation, they stress the importance of shifting from extrinsic to intrinsic purposes, critique the dominance of the left hemisphere, and advocate for wisdom-based values. The panelists also ponder the potential for a new philosophical awakening, the reinterpretation of existing religions, and the necessity of holistic education. Importantly, they emphasize the significance of nurturing beauty, embracing awe, and recognizing our sacred obligation to protect our ever-evolving reality. The dialogue provides insights into how individuals can navigate this complex landscape and contribute to a wiser, more connected world.

Iain McGilchrist: Iain McGilchrist is a renowned psychiatrist and writer known for his exploration of the brain's hemispheres. His seminal work, "The Master and His Emissary," delves into how the brain's structure affects human behavior, culture, and society, offering insightful perspectives on the cognitive underpinnings of modern challenges.

Daniel Schmachtenberger: Daniel Schmachtenberger is a multidisciplinary thinker dedicated to addressing global existential risks. His work focuses on the intersection of technology, human psychology, and civilization dynamics. He is recognized for his deep insights into systemic health, generative societal design, and strategies for a sustainable and flourishing future.

Glossary of Terms

Metacrisis: A term encompassing various global existential risks and challenges.

Meaning Crisis: The widespread feeling of lack of meaning in modern society.

Relevance Realization: A cognitive process of determining what information is relevant in a given context.

Resources and References:

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

Iain McGilchrist: Website | YouTube | X | Facebook

Daniel Schmachtenberger: Website | Facebook | LinkedIn

The Vervaeke Foundation

John Vervaeke YouTube

Awakening from the Meaning Crisis

Books

The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World - Iain McGilchrist

How the West Really Lost God: A New Theory of Secularization - Mary Eberstadt

The Psychology of Belonging - Kelly-Ann Allen

Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis - John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Filip Miscevic

Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground - James Filler

Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny - Robert Wright

Quotes

"What in the nature of human mind, in the nature of human conditioning experience, we might even find that the term psychology or cognitive drivers are insufficient, which is fine, has brought us here, and what might a different relationship to human mind, psychology, cognition look like that might allow a more viable, better future. Before World War II, there was no risk that we could very quickly destroy the entire habitability of human civilization. That was brought into being with very powerful technology, nuclear weapons. And for the first time ever, we had the ability to make a series of bad decisions and radically change the possibility space of the world"​ - Daniel Schmachtenberger

"Where there has been a significant drop in IQ, the insult is almost always in the right hemisphere. So, it's very important that the right hemisphere should remain the position of the master. And as long as the emissary follows the direction of the master that sees more, it's very helpful and useful. It's a good servant of a very poor master."​​ - Iain McGilchrist

"The right hemisphere seems to be more in touch with presence, whereas the left hemisphere is more about re-presentation, representing something that is abstracted out of the living world." - Iain McGilchrist

"The prevalence of meaninglessness in modern society can be linked to a lack of purpose and belonging, a critical factor in the development of the metacrisis." - John Vervaeke

Chapters with Timestamps

[00:00:00] Introduction to the Metacrisis

[00:01:04] Defining Metacrisis and Initial Thoughts

[00:08:26] The Role of Brain Hemispheres in Human Experience

[00:21:29] The Meaning Crisis in Modern Society

[00:30:45] Human Mind and Cognition in the Metacrisis

[00:39:42] Exploration of Etiology and Psychological-Environmental Interrelations

[00:58:26] Redefining Purpose: Intrinsic vs. Extrinsic

[01:08:16] Hemispheric Imbalance and Its Impact on Civilization

[01:15:25] Rebalancing Power and Wisdom in Influential Figures

[01:39:05] Navigating the Dance of Reason, Authority, and Power

[01:53:19] Imagination in Rational Thinking

[02:02:45] Philosophical Awakening and Global Issues

[02:14:55] Human Responsibility in the Evolution of the Divine

[02:34:15] Fostering Global Wisdom through Pluralism

[02:39:25] The Intersection of Religion and Scale

[02:55:29] Revitalizing Religion for Modern Challenges

[03:05:56] Reimagining Education and Institutional Structures

[03:14:24] Embracing Beauty and Sacred Obligation

Timestamped Highlights

[00:01:04] - Daniel Schmachtenberger introduces the metacrisis topic and its significance.

[00:08:26] - Iain McGilchrist discusses the role of hemispheric differences in shaping human experience and worldviews.

[00:21:29] - John Vervaeke addresses the meaning crisis and its implications in modern society.

[00:30:45] - The panel delves into how the nature of human mind and cognition has contributed to the current state of the world.

[00:39:42] - Exploring the roots of societal issues, highlighting the interplay between psychology and global crises, and the importance of relational human experiences.

[00:58:26] - Discussion on the contrast between intrinsic and extrinsic purposes, emphasizing the need to shift focus from utility to deeper values like relationships, nature, and the sacred.

[01:08:16] - The dialogue critiques the left hemisphere's dominance and its role in driving competitive, destructive outcomes, highlighting the need for a wisdom-based value shift.

[01:15:25] - Exploring the interplay between power, wisdom, and the need to rediscover the sacredness of existence to foster meaningful connections and inspire change in influential individuals.

[01:39:05] - Discussion on the Enlightenment's impact in differentiating reason from pure calculation, stressing the importance of maintaining reason as a balanced, experiential approach to life.

[01:53:19] - The panelists discuss the importance of imagination and aspiration in rational thinking.

[02:04:45] - Reflections on the potential for a new philosophical awakening in addressing global issues.

[02:14:55] - The panelists explore the idea that humans have a role in responding to the divine, facilitating its evolution, and highlight the importance of our responsibility in this process.

[02:34:15] - Vervaeke and McGilchrist advocate for fostering global wisdom by embracing pluralistic philosophies and emphasizing the role of individual and community models.

[02:39:25] - Integrating differentiation in a potential new religion that aligns with existing faiths and addresses contemporary issues is discussed.

[02:55:29] - How existing religions can be reinterpreted to address contemporary issues and foster wisdom development.

[03:05:56] - A call for holistic, integrated education, breaking feedback loops hindering progress, and nurturing wisdom and sacredness in governance and society.

[03:14:24] - Conclusion: The panelists emphasize the importance of nurturing beauty, embracing awe, and recognizing a sacred obligation to protect reality in our ever-changing world.

Dr. John Vervaeke engages in an in-depth conversation with Sam Tideman, delving into the four kinds of knowing – procedural, propositional, perspectival, and participatory – and how they relate to personality and understanding of religion. They explore the concept of purpose from both philosophical and psychological perspectives, touching upon the historical and cosmic scale of purpose, human uniqueness in understanding purpose, and the functional purpose in nature. The episode also includes a discussion on Spinoza's philosophy and the importance of mindset and awareness, leading to reflections on the implications of purpose for humanity.

Glossary of Terms

Propositional knowledge: Knowledge of facts.

Procedural knowing: Knowing how to do something.

Perspectival knowing: Knowing by noticing aspects of things within how you are sizing up a situation. Knowing what it is like to be noticing from the state of mind you are in of the situation you are in. Knowing what is like being in a particular perspective.

Participatory knowing: Knowing by being. It refers to knowing how to act in the "agent-arena" environment—how the world and you are shaped by the same principles and processes to fit together, whether those processes are natural or cultural. Gravity shapes you, and the ground and culture shape you and the environment into a floor for walking. It is knowing by participating in affordances co-created by you and the world.

Resources and References:

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

Sam Tideman: YouTube

The Vervaeke Foundation

John Vervaeke YouTube

Awakening from the Meaning Crisis

Neoplatonism, Gnosticism, and Naturalism w/ Sam Adams

Books, Articles, Publications, and Videos

Spinoza's Religion: A New Reading of the Ethics - Clare Carlisle

Philosopher of the Heart: The Restless Life of Søren Kierkegaard - Clare Carlisle

John Vervaeke on the relevance of Neoplatonism today | Transfigured

Quotes

"It's knowing this with your states of consciousness, states of consciousness always have co-defining situational awareness." - John Vervaeke, on perspectival knowing

"The way your agency and your character are shaped and your biology is shaped to fit the environment... that's participatory knowing." - John Vervaeke

Chapters with Timestamps

[00:00:00] Introduction of Dr. John Vervaeke

[00:03:07] The Four Kinds of Knowing

[00:04:20] Christian Doctrinal Differences and Kinds of Knowing

[00:08:07] Deeper Definitions and Taxonomy of the Four Ps

[00:17:23] Discussion on Personality and Kinds of Knowing

[00:32:16] Exploring Human Consciousness and Purpose

[00:41:33] The Universe, Life, and the Concept of Purpose

[00:48:22] Human Uniqueness in Understanding Purpose

Timestamped Highlights

[00:00:00] Introduction of Dr.John Vervaeke

[00:03:07] Explanation of the four kinds of knowing

[00:04:20] Discussion on Christian doctrinal differences

[00:08:07] In-depth definitions of the four Ps

[00:17:23] Connecting personality types with kinds of knowing

[00:22:35] Integrating various kinds of knowing for holistic spiritual and personal development

[00:32:16] Exploration of human consciousness and purpose

[00:39:40] Debate on redemptive narrative in history

[00:41:33] The challenge of fitting the Christian mythological arc to the modern understanding of the universe

[00:44:11] Discussing the concept of incarnation

[00:48:22] Human uniqueness in understanding purpose

[00:50:30] The functional purpose in nature

[00:52:28] Mount Everest as an example of purpose without consciousness

[00:53:14] Introduction to Spinoza's concept of conatas

[00:58:00] Reflecting on the quality of life in the universe

[01:05:00] The significance of life beyond quantity

[01:10:30] Philosophical implications of understanding purpose

[01:20:20] Discussing the impact of human mortality awareness on purpose and understanding

[01:30:00] Understanding purpose in existence and its implications in Christianity and pragmatism

Continuing the transcendent naturalism series, hosts John Vervaeke and Gregg Henriques, along with guest Jordan Hall, explore the intersections of cognitive science, philosophy, and spirituality, offering a progressive perspective on the evolution of human consciousness and society. They critically examine the limitations of conventional thought processes, particularly in response to burgeoning global crises, advocating for a shift away from antiquated, adversarial thinking patterns. The discussion delves into the evolution of language, the practical aspects of eschatology, and a transformative phase in human development termed the 'fifth joint point.' A significant focus is placed on adopting new languages and logical frameworks, not just theoretically but also in their practical application, to cultivate a collective, positive future. The conversation uniquely emphasizes the importance of relationality and personal transformation as essential components in driving societal change.

Glossary of Terms

Transcendent Naturalism: A framework combining elements of naturalism with transcendental thinking.

Fifth Joint Point: A concept referring to a significant phase transition in human development.

Practical Eschatology: A term used to describe practical approaches to understanding human evolution and the future.

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

Jordan Hall: Medium | YouTube | X

Gregg Henriques: Website | Facebook | X

Resources and References

The Vervaeke Foundation

John Vervaeke YouTube

The Religion of Tomorrow | Transcendent Naturalism #11 with Gregg Henriques and Jordan Hall

Books, Articles, and Publications

Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground - James Filler

Religion and Nothingness - Keiji Nishitani

The Silk Roads: A New History of the World - Peter Frankopan

The Emptying God ; A Buddhist-Jewish-Christian Conversation - Edited by John B. Cobb Jr. and Christopher Ives

Quotes

"Language evolution is critical to understanding our collective future." - Jordan Hall

"Navigating the fifth joint point requires a deep understanding of our past, present, and potential futures." - Gregg Henriques

Chapters with Timestamps

[00:00:00] Introduction to Transcendent Naturalism

[00:01:00] The Evolution of Language

[00:11:00] Practical Eschatology and Human Development

[00:20:00] The Fifth Joint Point - Navigating Future Challenges

[00:30:00] Interconnection of Languages and Consciousness

[00:40:00] Transcendence through Language and Thought

[00:50:00] Conclusion and Future Perspectives

Timestamped Highlights

[00:00:00] John Vervaeke introduces a discussion on cognitive science and naturalism with Jordan Hall and Gregg Henriques.

[00:01:21] Jordan Hall introduces concepts of 'practical eschatology' and 'extended transcendent naturalism.'

[00:04:52] Hall discusses the cultural split in the AI debate, highlighting societal polarization.

[00:09:11] Vervaeke calls for a new relationship to language and logos.

[00:14:13] Vervaeke highlights Neoplatonism and Zen's alternative linguistic and ontological approaches.

[00:20:53] Vervaeke emphasizes the need for existential transformation beyond theory.

[00:38:07] Gregg Henriques and Jordan Hall highlight the role of transcendent naturalism in framing relationality and exploring human potential.

[00:39:30] Henriques discusses developing a life-guiding operating system integrating justification systems and relational dynamics.

[00:40:20] John Vervaeke introduces the idea of a new post-nominalist language to enhance collective intelligence and understanding.

[00:42:07] Vervaeke explores the challenge of engaging with the world without being consumed by its ideologies.

[00:45:37] Jordan Hall stresses the importance of personal and authentic relational experiences in complex modern life.

[00:48:07] Hall discusses the paradox of deeply engaging with the world while maintaining a transcendent perspective.

[00:52:24] Vervaeke reinterprets the concept of God within a non-theistic, relational framework.

[00:55:34] Gregg Henriques shares his daily practice of reflecting on beliefs, values, and mantras to navigate life.

[01:02:20] Hall and Vervaeke discuss incorporating sacredness and relationality in daily life, emphasizing re-enchantment with the sacred.

John Vervaeke and Seth Dellinger delve into the intricacies of embodiment and wisdom. Dellinger, a specialist in the Feldenkrais Method, shares his expertise on how this somatic practice fosters personal growth and awareness. The conversation covers a range of topics, including the challenges of teaching embodiment in virtual environments and the transformative nature of mindfulness practices. Dellinger shares information about his upcoming workshop, where he integrates various embodiment practices to help individuals explore and enhance their personal and relational development. This episode is rich in discussions about the non-propositional nature of embodiment, the integration of perception, action, and orientation in wisdom practices, and the concept of wordless wisdom. Dellinger and Vervaeke's dialogue extends beyond physical practices to include psychological, philosophical, and personal development perspectives, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of the significance of embodiment in our lives. This conversation is not only informative but also transformative, providing insights into how somatic practices like the Feldenkrais Method can significantly impact personal and relational growth.

Glossary of Terms

Feldenkrais Method: A somatic educational system designed by Moshé Feldenkrais, aimed at improving human functioning by increasing self-awareness through movement.

D.I.M.E. Practice: An acronym for Dialogical, Imaginal, Mindful, and Embodied practices, a holistic approach to personal development.

Ecology of Practices: A concept introduced by John Vervaeke referring to a network of practices that enhance cognitive capacities.

Jhana Practice: A meditation technique in Buddhism focusing on developing concentration and mindfulness.

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

Seth Dellinger: Website | Email

Resources and References

The Vervaeke Foundation

Awaken to Meaning

John Vervaeke YouTube

Awakening from the Meaning Crisis

Books, Articles, and Publications

What is Orientation?: A Philosophical Investigation - Werner Stegmaier

The Circling Institute

Workshops

Coming Home to Your Body (12/16/2023)

Grounded Connections

Try out the Presence Mantra

Quotes

"I am a teacher of the healing arts... a wisdom practice disguised as a movement practice." - Seth Dellinger

"Our bodies are just a way of accessing our entire lives, our entire being." - Seth Dellinger

"What I'm trying to teach you is how to become your own teacher." - Seth Dellinger on the Feldenkrais Method

"Understanding through movement can lead to a transformative worldview." - John Vervaeke

"Embodiment is not just about the physical; it's about transforming our entire way of being." - John Vervaeke

Chapters with Timestamps

[00:00:00] Introduction and Background of Seth Dellinger

[00:01:00] The Feldenkrais Method and Its Evolution

[00:02:34] Exploring the D.I.M.E. Practice at the Verveke Foundation

[00:05:21] Adapting Embodiment Practices to Virtual Spaces

[00:14:07] The Concept of Wordless Wisdom in Movement and Presence

[00:36:03] The Integration of Perception, Action, and Orientation in Wisdom Practices

[00:50:09] The Role of Embodiment in Navigating Life's Challenges

[01:00:58] Techniques and Insights for Personal and Relational Development

[01:09:17] Conclusion and Reflections on the Conversation

Timestamped Highlights

[00:00:00] - Introduction by John Vervaeke and introduction of Seth Dellinger.

[00:01:00] - Seth Dellinger discusses his approach to teaching the healing arts and the Feldenkrais Method.

[00:01:40] - Seth talks about his connection with the Circling Institute and the D.I.M.E. (Dialogical, Imaginal, Mindful, and Embodied) practice.

[00:04:20] - Seth discusses his way of processing John Vervaeke's work through embodiment.

[00:06:40] - Conversation about Moshe Feldenkrais' influence on Seth's teachings.

[00:09:00] - Seth shares his insights on the importance of becoming your own teacher.

[00:11:20] - Introduction of Seth's 'Grounded Connection' program.

[00:18:00] - Discussion on integrating practice into everyday life.

[00:22:20] - Exploration of orientation and anxiety in the context of embodiment.

[00:31:00] Seth introduces the concept of 'worless wisdom'

[00:36:03] - Conversation about the fallibility of human perception and its impact on daily life​​.

[00:42:20] - Delving deeper into the concept of 'wordless wisdom' and its application in everyday interactions.

[00:53:40] - The significance of embodiment practices in transforming life experiences.

[00:56:00] - Dellinger discusses his upcoming workshop, "Coming Home to Your Body," which combines Feldenkrais practice with discussions on bodily wisdom and its everyday applications.

[01:02:00] - Seth connects improved perception and action with wisdom, emphasizing embodiment and the transformative power of revisiting past experiences.

[01:09:20] - Concluding thoughts on the conversation and its impact on Seth Dellinger's work and practices.

John Vervaeke and Vivian Dittmar discuss the integral yet overlooked role of emotions and affect in spirituality and the cultivation of wisdom. Vivian, with her diverse background that includes experiences in traditional cultures, Far Eastern philosophy, and shamanic traditions, outlines a framework differentiating physical sensations, biological instincts, social feelings, unprocessed emotions, and transcendent abilities. She emphasizes practices that help process difficult emotions to develop wisdom rather than escape into spiritual bypassing. John explores resonances with Greek philosophy's link between virtue, emotion, and reason. Their rich conversation hints at deep connections between rationality, wisdom, and spirituality, signaling more still to unpack.

Glossary of Terms

Transrational Wisdom: Beyond traditional rational thinking, incorporating intuitive and holistic understanding.

Conscious Release: A practice for processing and releasing emotional baggage.

Ecology of Practices: A framework for integrating various spiritual and mindfulness practices.

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

Vivian Dittmar: Website | Facebook

Resources and References

The Vervaeke Foundation

Be the Change Stiftung

Books, Articles, and Publications

Your inner GPS - Vivian Dittmar

How the West Really Lost God: A New Theory of Secularization - Mary Eberstadt

Emotion Focused Therapy

Quotes

"Discussing spirituality and rationality can bridge gaps in our understanding of emotions." - John Vervaeke

"Emotional baggage shapes our perception and rationality in profound ways." - Vivian Dittmar

Chapters with Timestamps

[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:01:41] Vivian's Background and Early Insights

[00:11:01] Exploring Emotions and Rationality

[00:20:01] The Practice of Conscious Release

[00:30:01] Transrational Wisdom and Spiritual Practices

[00:40:01] Concluding Thoughts

Timestamped Highlights

[00:00:00] Introduction of the episode and guest, Vivian Dittmar, by John Vervaeke.

[00:17:00] Discussion on the confusion surrounding emotions and feelings in Western thought.

[00:21:11] Vivian introduces her concept of five different kinds of sensations.

[00:23:39] Discussion on the importance of addressing emotional baggage and integrating transpersonal wisdom for appropriate emotional responses and personal growth.

[00:28:52] Vivian talks about how becoming a mother influenced her spiritual practices.

[00:33:08] Addressing the concept of spiritual bypassing and the need for genuine transformative practices.

[00:37:01] Description of the conscious release practice and its significance in emotional processing.

[00:41:00] Discussing the importance of catharsis in self-realization and wisdom acquisition.

[00:43:59] John and Vivian explore the deeper aspects of suffering and inner peace.

[00:47:14] Delving into the relationship between rationality and spirituality.

[00:52:42] Vivian's final thoughts on embracing the darker aspects of our psyche for growth and wisdom.

[00:53:43] John reflects on the inward journey illuminated through the conversation.

[00:53:53] Conclusion of the episode with an invitation for further exploration in future discussions.

John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall engage in a profound discussion on the nature and impact of paradigm shifts in contemporary times, exploring how these shifts are not just led by theoretical changes but also by randomness and technical advancements. They delve into the role of anomalies, experimentation, and the concept of the "imaginal" in facilitating these shifts. Highlighting historical examples, such as Einstein and Heisenberg, they discuss how philosophical and cross-cultural explorations contribute to new ways of thinking. The conversation further explores the necessity of breaking existing structures and disciplines for new explorations, with the metaphor of individuals gathering diverse tools without initially understanding their collective purpose. This comprehensive dialogue underscores the complexity of paradigm shifts, intertwining technical, individual, collective, and socio-cultural dynamics.

Glossary of Terms

Paradigm Shift: A fundamental change in approach or underlying assumptions.

Anomalies: Unexpected or unusual occurrences that challenge existing theories or paradigms.

Resources and References:

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

Jordan Hall: YouTube | Medium | X

The Vervaeke Foundation

John Vervaeke YouTube

Awakening from the Meaning Crisis

The Elusive I - Part 1 - The Cognitive Science Show

Books, Articles, and Publications

Hyperobjects: Philosophy and Ecology after the End of the World - Timothy Morton

Gilles Deleuze - Postscript on the Societies of Control

Postscript on Societies of Control. Deleuze, G. (1995). In M. Joughin (Trans.), Negotiations (pp. 177-182). Columbia University Press. (Original work published 1990).

Quotes

"The hypothesis of paradigm shifts in the contemporary era is led by a combination of randomness and changes in the technical layer." - Jordan Hall

"The movement of paradigm shifts involves individuals leaping from the old theoretical milieu into the new." - Jordan Hall

"The new paradigm is emerging from a stretched rubber band of tension between old and new assumptions." - Jordan Hall

"Anomalies in paradigm shifts are initially marginalized, then later become central." - John Vervaeke

Timestamped Highlights

[00:00:00] - Introduction to the concept of paradigm shifts and their influence by technical changes and new theories.

[00:03:04] - Perspective on paradigm shifts, emphasizing philosophical aspects influencing scientists like Einstein and Heisenberg.

[00:06:01] - Discussion on the process of paradigm shifts, comparing it to discovering and utilizing new tools like a screwdriver.

[00:09:12] - Exploration of the role of imagination in paradigm shifts, with references to historical figures like Galileo.

[00:12:01] - Analysis of the interplay between the possible, the adjacent possible, and the imaginal in the context of paradigm shifts.

[00:15:06] - Elaboration on the concept of 'recollecting' oneself during paradigm shifts.

[00:18:42] - Questioning how people recognize and adopt new paradigms, focusing on the role of anomalies.

[00:21:21] - Discussion of the impact of societal changes and cultural anomalies on individuals' experiences and perceptions.

[00:24:53] - Connection of Timothy Morton's concept of hyperobjects with Piaget's work on developmental change, relating it to paradigm shifts.

[00:30:12] - Discussion of the adjacent possible and its relation to paradigm shifts, using personal experiences as examples.

[00:33:12] - Delving into the idea of distributed cognition in relation to grasping complex concepts like hyperobjects.

[00:37:53] - Emphasis that in every paradigm shift, new problems are resolved, opportunities emerge, and new problems arise.

[00:42:44] - Analysis of the emergence of democracy from the Protestant Reformation, linking it to changes brought by the printing press.

[00:46:35] - Description of how digital identities and services could be modulated based on social credit scores in a future paradigm.

[00:51:50] - Prediction of the future potential of fully implemented social credit systems and their impact on everyday life.

[00:56:57] - Discussion on the potential of new technologies to cause paradigmatic shifts, similar to alphabetic literacy and the printing press, and how these shifts might engender new ways of thinking and being beyond their immediate, apparent effects.

[01:00:08] - Analysis of the potential outcomes and limitations of China's AI-controlled social credit system, exploring its evolutionary impact within the constraints of paradigm space.

[01:06:29] - Conclusion: Deliberation on the potential of rapid paradigm shifts to either disrupt human connection to timeless values or enhance understanding, emphasizing the need for discernment.

John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall dive into the intricate concept of hyperobjects, as conceptualized by philosopher Timothy Morton. The discussion revolves around the defining characteristics of hyperobjects, such as their vast distribution in time and space, their non-local and viscous nature, and their challenging temporal scales. They explore examples like evolution and global warming, emphasizing the need for a transformative approach in our cognitive and perceptual frameworks to understand and engage with these complex entities. The conversation also touches on the implications of hyperobjects on distributed cognition and the necessity of developing new modalities of understanding and interaction in the face of such overwhelmingly large-scale phenomena.

Resources and References:

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

Jordan Hall: YouTube | Medium | X

The Vervaeke Foundation

John Vervaeke YouTube

Awakening from the Meaning Crisis

The Elusive I - Part 1 - The Cognitive Science Show

Books, Articles, and Publications

Hyperobjects: Philosophy and Ecology after the End of the World - Timothy Morton

The Republic by Plato - The Internet Classics Archive

The Sovereignty of Good - Iris Murdoch

The Enigma of Reason - Hugo Mercier, Dan Sperber

Quotes

"Hyperobjects, like global warming and evolution, are non-local. You can't point and say, there's evolution." - John Vervaeke

"The horror and the fascination are two facets of a deeper thing, which is the mystery of the thing." - John Vervaeke

"We need a practice that will continually remind us of our proclivity to trying to subsume the hyper object space into the object space." - Jordan Hall

"Until you have learned fully what it means to have unconditional love for and with and from yourself, it is in fact both impossible and inconceivable that you can do this with someone else and from someone else." - Jordan Hall

Timecodes:

[00:00:00] Introduction to the special "Voices with Vervaeke" series with Jordan Hall on the topic of hyperobjects​​.

[00:07:30] Discussion on the non-locality of hyperobjects like global warming and evolution, which cannot be pointed to in a specific time and space.

[00:15:00] Exploration of the concept of hyperobjects revealing properties of every object, demanding a fundamental transformation in our relationship to all of being.

[00:22:15] Jordan Hall reflects on the emergence of complexity and chaos theory in the 1980s, and its implications for understanding reality beyond linear analysis.

[00:30:00] The challenge of adapting to hyperobject space and developing new modes of agency beyond the limitations of object space.

[00:38:00] Discussion on the aesthetics of the numinous as an alternative to the aesthetics of horror in relation to hyperobjects.

[00:45:30] The need for a new practicum for engaging with hyperobjects, including practices of meditation and contemplation.

[00:52:00] The importance of distributed cognition in understanding and relating to hyperobjects, highlighting the concept of dia logos.

[00:59:30] Emphasizing the need for a practicum that addresses modal confusion and the tendency to subsume hyperobject space into object space.

[01:03:00] Exploring the role of psycho-technologies in stabilizing our engagement with hyperobject space.

[01:10:00] The significance of vocation in provisionally responding to shared needs in a hyperobject-influenced world.

[01:15:00] Discussion on how belief systems and religions can serve as frameworks for managing cognitive loads in collective coherence.

[01:17:00] Reflecting on the contrast between finite and infinite games in the context of engaging with hyperobjects.

[01:23:00] Technology as a hyperobject transforms our core reality, necessitating a balance between its weaponization and the curiosity-driven creation of new possibilities.

In this enlightening episode, Patrick Deneen joins John Vervaeke to discuss the innovative approach to teaching philosophy at Chesterton Academy. Deneen delves into the integration of Vervaeke's influential work, particularly "Awakening from the Meaning Crisis," to make philosophical concepts relatable and impactful for students. A significant part of their conversation revolves around students' evolving engagement with philosophy, notably their initial skepticism and eventual appreciation of Socratic and classical teachings. The episode also explores the integration of the school's Catholic ethos with its academic pursuits, underscoring the importance of fostering moral and intellectual virtues. Throughout the discussion, both Deneen and Vervaeke share personal reflections, shedding light on the profound impact of philosophy and wisdom in shaping human experiences and education.

Resources and References

John Vervaeke: Website | Patreon | Facebook | X | YouTube

Patrick Deneen: LinkedIn | Chesterton Academy of the Sacred Heart

The Vervaeke Foundation

Awakening from the Meaning Crisis Series

After Socrates Series

On Bullshit - Harry G. Frankfurt

The World As God's Icon: Creator and Creation in the Platonic Thought of Thomas Aquinas - Sebastian Morello

Summa Contra Gentiles: Book One,God - Thomas Aquinas

What Is Ancient Philosophy? - Pierre Hadot, Michael Chase

The Courage to Be - Paul Tillich

Beowulf: A New Verse Translation - Seamus Heaney

The Divine Comedy (The Inferno, The Purgatorio, and The Paradiso) - Dante Alighieri

Faust: Parts I & II - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Great Expectations - Charles Dickens

Phaedo by Plato

Apology by Plato

Crito by Plato

Aquinas 101

Timestamped Highlights

[00:00:00] Introduction by John Vervaeke

[00:01:20] Patrick Deneen's gratitude for 'Awakening from the Meaning Crisis'

[00:03:00] Overview of Chesterton Academy's philosophy

[00:05:20] Use of 'Awakening from the Meaning Crisis' in classes

[00:07:20] Deneen's academic and personal background

[00:11:20] Teaching Socratic philosophy in a Catholic context

[00:17:20] Integration of Greek philosophy and Catholic theology

[00:21:40] Relationship between Platonic wisdom and Catholic faith

[00:28:00] Culture as the hidden curriculum

[00:32:00] Student enthusiasm for various subjects

[00:34:20] Inclusion of Eastern philosophical traditions

[00:41:00] Indian philosophy leading Deneen back to Catholic faith

[00:46:43] Importance of art in the curriculum

[00:51:00] Addressing the meaning crisis with Christian life

[00:58:40] Discussion about the rediscovery of Aristotle through Muslim philosophers

[01:03:32] The episode concludes with Patrick Deneen emphasizing Chesterton Academy's focus on nurturing a natural inclination towards truth and goodness in students and faculty

Dr. John Vervaeke welcomes John Stewart for a riveting dialogue that covers the wide-ranging landscape of cognitive science, human evolution, and societal systems. Stewart passionately delves into the concept of a 'global superorganism,' arguing that humanity's evolution now rests on our ability to form a unified, cooperative society. As an evolutionary activist, Stewart lays down the foundational theories for cognitive capacities that are essential for facing existential threats and advancing humanity. Topics range from the role of the sacred in society, and the impact of the Enlightenment, to practical pathways for awakening one's self in the daily grind of life. The episode transcends intellectual barriers and takes listeners on an unprecedented journey through the cognitive science model, exploring humanity's limitations and boundless potential. If you've ever pondered the future of human evolution and how cognition shapes it, this episode is a must-listen.

Resources:

John Vervaeke: Website | Patreon | Facebook | X | YouTube

John Stewart: LinkedIn | Website | X

The Vervaeke Foundation

Related Voives with Vervaeke Episodes

The deep meaning of deep evolution with John Stewart- Voices with Vervaeke

Further into John Stewart's work - Voices with Vervaeke

Miscellaneous

When We Were Kings (1996) - IMDb

Time Codes

00:00:00 — Dr. John Vervaeke introduces his guest, John Stewart.

00:00:25 — John Stewart sets the stage with the theme of technologies that enhance human capacities within an evolutionary framework.

00:01:00 — Stewart elaborates on the intriguing concept of a global superorganism.

00:02:20 — Stewart shines a spotlight on the existential threats facing humanity.

00:03:40 — Introduction of the 'evolutionary activist,' a term that encapsulates someone steering evolutionary processes.

00:08:46 — The importance of having a vision for technologies is emphasized by Stewart.

00:11:20 — Stewart reveals the critical role of an evolutionary activist in overcoming global challenges.

00:15:26 — The tension between individual freedoms and collectivity is discussed.

00:18:22 — A look at how tribal norms like group punishment still influence today's society.

00:20:21 — Dr. Vervaeke queries Stewart about positive human tendencies that could be harnessed for societal betterment.

00:27:01 — Stewart explores the history and evolution of cognitive science technologies.

00:31:10 — A discourse on the necessity for a diverse, globally unified society.

00:34:33 — Stewart talks about achieving an awakened state in ordinary life.

00:39:10 — A discussion on the limitations of human consciousness.

00:42:11 — Stewart contrasts the 'flow state' with 'waking up.'

00:48:32 — Dr. Vervaeke talks about "hot flow" and "cool flow."

00:52:41 — The role of cognitive science in developing effective scaffolding.

00:57:11 — Stewart expounds on the significance of portable practices like rituals.

01:00:22 — Exploration of the 'four P's' and their importance in cognitive development.

01:08:24 — Vervaeke and Stewart wrap up the episode, emphasizing the limitations of collective practices.

John Vervaeke explores the intricate relationship between beauty and stoicism. Vervaeke delves into the philosophical underpinnings of stoicism, focusing on its emphasis on beauty as a pathway to understanding reality and virtue. He articulates how stoicism aligns beauty with wisdom, offering insights into cognitive science, virtue ethics, and the transformative power of beauty in perceiving the world.

Resources:

Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook

The Vervaeke Foundation

Books, Articles, and Publications

Saving Beauty - Byung-Chul Han

The Agony of Eros - Byung-Chul Han

Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis - John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, Filip Miscevic

On Bullshit - Harry G. Frankfurt

The Catholicity of Reason - D. C. Schindler

Bearing Witness to Epiphany: Persons, Things, and the Nature of Erotic Life - John Russon

The Experience of Meaning - Jan Zwicky

On Beauty and Being Just - Elaine Scarry

Plausible Reasoning: An Introduction to the Theory and Practice of Plausibilistic Inference - Nicolas Rescher (Out of print)

Practical Induction - Elijah Millgram

Inference to the Best Explanation - Peter Lipton

On defining wisdom. The International Journal of Aging & Human Development McKee, P., & Barber, C. (1999).

Wisdom science in a polarized world: Knowns and unknowns. Psychological Inquiry, Grossmann, I., Weststrate, N. M., Ardelt, M., Brienza, J. P., Dong, M., Ferrari, M., Fournier, M. A., Hu, C. S., Nusbaum, H. C. & Vervaeke, J. (2020).

Time Codes:

00:00:00 — John Vervaeke introduces the theme of his talk: Why beauty is deeply implicit in stoicism, especially in its commitment to rationality and virtue to stoic principles

00:02:22 — Vervaeke discusses the cycle of self-deception and its reinforcement by societal bullshit

00:10:33 — Explanation of how our culture attempts to control appearances to make them easily accessible and superficial

00:17:06 — Discussion on the normative aspect of realizations and their implications for action and responsibility

00:23:44 — Exploration of the concept of 'musicality of intelligibility' and its relation to our perception of reality

00:35:45 — Discussion on the intersection of stoicism and cognitive science

00:39:22 — Examination of virtue as a form of wisdom and its beautiful appearance in various contexts

00:47:49 — Insights into the concept of joy and its distinction from pleasure, emphasizing a deeper connection to reality

00:49:08 — Question: Inquiry about whether the exclamation "wow" in response to elegance signifies awe and how this relates to beauty, plausibility, and recognition

00:51:27 — Question: Exploring whether stoicism's concept of dwelling on beauty is an intellectual or embodied relationship

00:52:27 — Inquiry: Recognizing the difference between triviality and plausibility

00:53:47 — Question: How to respond appropriately to someone spouting nonsense

00:58:29 — Question: What is the relationship between beauty and confirmation bias

01:00:47 — Question: Has the "smoothing" of reality led to societal disdain or denial of complex narratives, and can individual yearnings overcome this superficially created simplicity

01:02:57 — Question: What to do in cases in which authentic natural salient beauty is misleading

01:07:33 — Inquiry: Suggest ways to self-reflect and determine if one is being truthful or just spouting nonsense

01:10:02 — Inquiry: Requesting further insights on whether stoicism, often linked with beauty and perceived romantically, is a philosophy following Aristotle's path, a religion, something in-between, or if Stoics were deceiving themselves about their own practice