In this thought-provoking episode of Voices with Vervaeke, host John Vervaeke is joined by Johannes Niederhauser, a philosopher with a focus on Heidegger's philosophy of technology, and Sean McFadden, a physicist and neuroengineer with interests in the philosophy of mathematics, science, and technology. Together, they discuss the possibilities and limitations of artificial intelligence, the nature of consciousness, the ethical implications of AI development, and the potential impact of AI on society. The conversation delves into the challenges of implementing consciousness in machines, the importance of relevance realization, autopoiesis, and the role of AI in human rationality and wisdom.

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Time-Codes:

00:00 Introduction and Guests' Backgrounds

02:34 Heidegger's Philosophy of Technology

03:43 Hopes and Fears in AI Development

09:03 Implementing Consciousness in Machines

15:15 Relevance Realization and Autopoiesis

30:06 Self-deception in AI

37:14 Trade-offs in AI Development

44:09 Rationality and Spiritual Dimensions of AI

59:11 Real Moral Agency and Cultural Matrix

1:07:00 The Morality of Building Silicon Sages

1:14:00 The Potential of Machines to Exceed Human Intelligence

1:18:00 The Virtue of Machines

1:21:00 AI Trajectory and Ethics

1:29:00 Understanding Animal Intelligence

In today's Voices with Vervaeke episode, Dr. Vervaeke is joined by the Executive Director of the Vervaeke Foundation, Ryan Barton. Ryan offers a rigorous and intentional response to John's AI Video Essay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_RdKiDbz4) coming from a Christian perspective. Ryan proposes that rather than Christian theology being "unprepared" for the coming kairos, it is possible that the Christian way may in fact be one of the greatest frameworks of guidelines as we tackle humanity's newest threat.

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Dr. John Vervaeke lays out a multifaceted argument discussing the potential uses, thresholds, and calamities that may occur due to the increase in artificial intelligence systems. While there is a lot of mention of GPT and other chatbots, this argument is meant to be seen as confronting the principles of AI, AGI, and any other forms of Artificial Intelligence.

First, Dr. Vervaeke lays out an overview of his argument while also contextualizing the conversation. Dr. Vervaeke then explores the scientific ramifications and potentialities. Lastly, Dr. Vervaeke concludes in the philosophical realm and ends the argument with a strong and stern message that we face a kairos, potentially the greatest that the world has ever seen.

Dr. Vervaeke is also joined in this video essay by Ryan Barton, the Executive Director of the Vervaeke Foundation, as well as Eric Foster, the Media Director at the Vervaeke Foundation.

In this episode of the After Socrates podcast, Dr. John Vervaeke, Guy Sengstock, Christopher Mastropietro, and Taylor Barrett delve into the complexities of human relationships, communication, and the transformative power of dialogue. The conversation begins with an exploration of the importance of relationships in human development and the emergence of practices like dialectic, dialogos, and authentic relating. Sengstock highlights the impact of modern communication technologies on relationships, making them optional and less necessary for functioning. The discussion then shifts to the epidemic of loneliness and the transactional nature of modern relationships, exacerbated by technology and social media. The participants also discuss the loss of wisdom, knowledge, and the maturation process in modern society, and how this has led to a diminished sense of personhood and a decline in religious belief. They explore the role of memory in the aftermath of a relationship fallout and the importance of shifting focus from minute details to a more impressionistic understanding of the experience. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the transformative nature of Dialogos and the profound insights gained from engaging in these discussions. The participants express gratitude for the journey and the connections made through the process, highlighting the potential of these practices to address the issues they have discussed.

Time-Codes:

[00:00] Guy Sengstock discusses the inherent messiness and discomfort of relationships and how they are essential to becoming people.

[00:02:18] Dr. Vervaeke proposes the question of why practices like dialectic, dialogos, and authentic relating are emerging now.

[00:09:54] Guy Sengstock discusses the epidemic of loneliness and how it drives people further into isolation rather than seeking relationships.

[00:15:33] Taylor Barrett highlights the impact of technology and social media on the younger generations, leading to a forgetting or never knowing of what's possible in relationships.

[00:18:51] Dr. John Vervaeke discusses the loss of wisdom, knowledge, and the maturation process in modern society.

[00:22:30] Guy Sengstock talks about the importance of participating in the sacred and how it is linked to the decline of religious belief.

[00:27:16] Christopher Mastropietro discusses the process of coming to grips with the fallout of a close relationship and how memory plays a role in that experience.

[00:30:00] Christopher Mastropietro discusses the truth of a relationship and how it lies in the creative act of revisioning that relationship, not in the recorded details.

[00:39:25] Taylor Barrett talks about moving towards wisdom in terms of social media, technology, and practices.

[00:45:36] Guy Sengstock discusses the loss of organized religion and the opportunity it presents for a new kind of collective intelligence.

[00:53:51] Dr. John Vervaeke discusses Christopher Mastropietro's articulation of a non-Cartesian, non-postmodern sense of doubt, which is needed in the current conversation.

[01:02:17] Christopher Mastropietro explains the importance of a Socratic self-doubt, recognizing our finite understanding of ourselves and our ever-changing nature.

[01:14:27] Guy Sengstock explores the structure of grief and how it relates to losing qualities of life and the future of having them.

[01:18:21] Christopher Mastropietro talks about participating in the rebirth of what is lost and how it becomes part of the new person that one becomes.

[01:23:26] Taylor Barrett talks about the transformative nature of the Dialogos experience and how it has changed his perspective.

This episode of After Socrates explores the transformative experience of examining ideas and beliefs through the practice of dialectic, which is seen as the virtue of tracking the logos, a concept not present in everyday dialogue. The dialogue involves mindfulness and Neoplatonic contemplation, fostering feelings of brotherhood, comfort, expectancy and playful curiosity. Key roles of the scribe and herald in tracking the proposal and managing the interaction are explored, along with the role of virtues like vulnerability, courage, humility and openness. Trust in following the logos is seen as paramount. The conversation sometimes pushes the limits of language, illuminating the mystery of the logos, but deepens understanding nonetheless.

Time-codes:

00:00:00 - Christopher Mastropietro discusses the transformative experience of burning through ideas and beliefs. This concept sets the stage for the discussion, introducing the primary theme of transformation through dialectic practice.

00:01:07 - Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the topic of dialectic and the virtue of dialectic itself. His explanation offers a profound understanding of dialectic, setting a philosophical foundation for the conversation.

00:16:25 - Taylor Barratt shares his feelings of curiosity, excitement, and nervousness. This moment brings an emotional and human dimension to the conversation, reminding participants of the personal aspect of philosophical dialogue.

00:19:14 - Dr. John Vervaeke expresses his amazement with the depth and playfulness of his experiences with Chris. This reflection deepens the sense of camaraderie and shared exploration within the group.

00:21:07 - Dr. John Vervaeke discusses the excitement and security he feels when interacting with Taylor. This moment underscores the value of trust and safety in fostering deep and meaningful conversations.

00:22:10 - Christopher Mastropietro shares his feelings of brotherhood and comfort with Guy. His words illustrate the close bonds formed through dialogos, underscoring the relational aspect of dialectic practice.

00:24:30 - Dr. John Vervaeke asks for an overview of the steps, stages, and roles in the dialectic process. This moment frames the rest of the discussion, providing context and structure to the exploration of dialectic.

00:33:20 - Dr. John Vervaeke discusses the defining feature of dialectic as tracking the logos. This key insight offers a new way of understanding the purpose and function of dialectic, distinguishing it from ordinary conversation.

00:43:24 - Taylor Barratt and Guy Sengstock discuss the role of vulnerability and other virtues in dialectic. This moment highlights the personal qualities needed to engage meaningfully in the practice of dialectic.

00:50:45 - Taylor reflects on the limits of language to describe the state they're in. This moment of introspection highlights the complex and ineffable nature of the dialectic experience.

01:00:16 - Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the idea that dialectic is the virtue of following what the proposal does not say. This intriguing idea invites a deeper exploration of the nature of dialectic and how it fosters understanding.

01:07:16 - Christopher Mastropietro discusses the geometry and shape of a proposal. This unique perspective brings a new layer of complexity to the understanding of proposals within the context of dialogos.

01:15:38 - Dr. John Vervaeke and Christopher Mastropietro discuss the practice of dialectic and the I-thou relationship with a proposal. This moment further refines the understanding of dialectic, emphasizing the relational aspect of the process.

01:20:54 - Christopher Mastropietro discusses the emergence of the Geist, or the persona of the Logos. This idea expands on the concept of the logos, introducing an animate aspect that guides the process of dialectic.

01:22:01 - Christopher Mastropietro discusses offering our beliefs and ideas to the transformative process of the Logos. This concept encapsulates the spirit of the discussion, emphasizing the transformational potential of dialectic practice.

Join Dr. John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Guy Sengstock as they delve into the intricacies of the dialectic process in the context of virtue in this episode of After Socrates. Christopher Mastropietro, a cultural theorist and writer, and Guy Sengstock, founder of Circling Europe, both contribute their unique perspectives to the discussion. Together, they explore the work of philosopher Martin Buber and how his ideas could transform current practices. The episode also covers the concept of the I-Thou relationship and its relevance to virtues, discussing how a commitment to this perspective renews the commitment to treat virtues as sincere vows. Furthermore, the conversation delves into the role of errors in shaping our perception of virtues, generating profound insights about humility, openness, and the path towards understanding.

Time-codes:

00:00 - Christopher Mastropietro & Guy Sengstock discuss the role of interest and commitment in the dialectic process, suggesting that it's more than just imagination at play.

01:20 - Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the focus of the episode - how Martin Buber's work could influence our practices.

02:00 - Christopher Mastropietro shares insights on how the dialectic process evolves with each repetition, reflecting on the commitment to virtues.

07:00 - Guy Sengstock sheds light on the importance of relevance to virtue and the ecstatic nature of universal participation.

16:00 - Christopher Mastropietro explores the role of interest and creative errors in opening up relationships and self-perception.

19:00 - The systemic nature of errors and their role in self-accountability and personal growth.

22:00 - Dr. Vervaeke presents the 'notice and variance heuristic,' promoting a humility-centered approach to understanding systematic errors.

24:21 - Implicit learning in recognizing patterns and the essential role of the 'WeSpace' for the Geist.

25:58 - Christopher and Dr. Vervaeke explore the relationship between the emergence of the Geist and the I-Thou.

27:00 - Dr. Vervaeke suggests an increased rate of guidance from the Geist as a reward for vulnerability.

29:13 - Christopher and Dr. Vervaeke discuss the role of error in dialogue and its alignment with Socrates' demonium.

30:00 - The concept of negative theology and its relation to the Geist is introduced.

35:00 - The group explores the relationship between speech and silence in Dialogos.

37:00 - Christ and Socrates are discussed as examples of reframing dialogue.

52:00 - Error as evidence of our finitude, promoting a deeper understanding of self.

In this episode of After Socrates, host Dr. John Vervaeke invites his guests, Christopher Mastropietro and Guy Sengstock, to explore the intricacies of Martin Buber's 'I-Thou' concept. Mastropietro, an academic scholar, and Sengstock, an experienced dialogue facilitator, provide their insights on this complex philosophical framework, delving into its impact on personal relationships and human existence. The discussion illuminates the transformative potential of 'I-Thou' encounters, the primacy of dialogical relationships in constituting personhood, and the profound connection between vulnerability and relationality. Furthermore, it examines the significance of 'I-Thou' relationships in our interactions with inanimate objects and the environment, introducing an enthralling perspective on person-environment co-extension. This episode offers a treasure trove of philosophical insights for those seeking a deeper understanding of human existence and personal growth.

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Time-codes:

00:00:20 - Introduction of guests and the topic by Dr. John Vervaeke

00:01:18 - Christopher Mastropietro's reading from Buber's 'I and Thou'

00:02:06 - Discussion on the 'I-Thou' relationship

00:04:00 - Guy Sengstock's insights on vulnerability and transformative encounters

00:08:48 - Importance of openness in dialogical relationships

00:09:20 - Dr. Vervaeke challenges the Cartesian model of development

00:11:00 - Amplifying the significance of dialogical relationships in personhood

00:13:23 - Exploration of dialogical relationships beyond interpersonal interactions

00:23:29 - Discussion on the value of environment and art in 'I-Thou' relationships

00:24:40 - Contrast between 'I-it' and 'I-I' relationships

00:27:06 - Concept of 'I-thou' relationships in relation to an end in themselves

00:29:20 - Dr. Vervaeke's insights on the arrow of relevance realization

00:31:00 - Exploring person constituting and Dialogos participation

00:38:40 - Dr. Vervaeke's question on Socrates as a sage and Buber as a prophet

00:42:00 - The intentional difficulty in philosophical styles to foster dialogue

00:44:00 - Effect of intentional difficulty in promoting understanding

00:45:58 - Difference between texts and tests

00:53:25 - The virtue of discerning voices and Socratic daimonion

00:57:06 - The metaxu relationship in 'I-thou' context

01:00:04 - The virtue of discernment and virtuous relationship with the 'thou'

01:01:06 - Importance of risk in unfolding relationships

In episode 20 of After Socrates, join Dr. John Vervaeke and his eloquent interlocutor, Christopher Mastropietro, as they delve into an intriguing exploration of love, beauty, faith, and the mysteries of existence. From the interplay of virtues to the hermeneutics of beauty, the dialectic of part and whole, and the unveiling of the concealed 'sculpture' within us, this episode is sure to incite curiosity, inspire insights, and deepen your understanding of life's profound questions. I recently had a discussion with DC Schindler and Ken Lowry that further explores this topic, if you would like to view that conversation, please do so here: Discovering the Four Leaps: Reason, Love, Faith, and Body | DC Schindler and Ken Lowry - https://youtu.be/V8UFpsVOl7A

Time-Codes:

00:00 - John Vervaeke introduces the Vervaeke Foundation Patreon - www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

01:00 - John and Christopher delve into the intriguing relationship between love, beauty, and the leap into the unknown.

03:00 - The concept of the three leaps: faith, reason, and love, is introduced and explored.

06:00 - John poses the question of how to articulate the intricate relationship between the three leaps.

08:10 - A deep discussion on the interdependence of virtues in the dialectic takes place.

09:49 - John distinguishes between the hermeneutics of suspicion and the hermeneutics of beauty.

12:08 - Christopher enlightens us with the Kierkegaardian idea of being a part in order to participate in the whole.

21:20 - Dr. Vervaeke explains the relationship between the absolute and the relative.

22:13 - The concept of Ratio is introduced as a means of moving towards the absolute.

24:00 - The interpenetration of insight and inference in philosophy is discussed.

27:24 - John illuminates the lack of distinction between inferences and insights.

28:00 - The Platonian metaphor of uncovering the sculpture within the stone is explored.

29:50 - John explains how two perspectives can induce an aporia in inferential reasoning.

32:21 - The role of a beautiful tree in orienting us towards reality is discussed.

35:07 - A deep dive into how beauty, love, and faith are interrelated occurs.

36:50 - Christopher proposes a terminological change in Kierkegaard's concept of faith.

39:00 - John elucidates how the fullness of being orients us towards a fuller life.

41:10 - The connection between goodness and faith is brought to light.

43:35 - An enlightening discussion on forgiveness, guilt, and sin takes place.

01:03:40 - John concludes the discussion by emphasizing the importance of transcendence.