Dr. John Vervaeke engages in a conversation with guests Kevin Bowers and Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh. The trio navigates the intricate interplay between creativity and wisdom, extending the discourse to themes like consilience, fittedness, and self-transcendence. Kevin Bowers passionately elucidates how creativity is not restricted to artistry but is a fundamental way of engaging with the world. Meanwhile, Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh takes the discussion further by delving into the role of 'through lining' and identity in creative processes. Vervaeke’s erudite commentary weaves these perspectives into a broader framework, arguing that creativity and wisdom are not just interconnected but are facets of a life well-lived. Don’t miss out on this scintillating conversation that transcends traditional understanding and invites you into a deeper contemplation of creativity and wisdom.

 

Resources:

John Vervaeke: Website | Patreon | Facebook | X | YouTube

Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh: LinkedIn

Kevin Bowers: X | Email

 

The Vervaeke Foundation

 

Related Voice with Vervaeke Episodes

Principles & Methods for Achieving a Flow State | Voices w/ Vervaeke | John Vervaeke & Kevin Bowers

Theatre-ritual-movement ecology of practices w/ Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh & Tamaki Kobayashi-Hsieh.

Building Practices to Cultivate Wisdom | John Vervaeke & Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh | Voices w/ Vervaeke

 

Books

Of Art and Wisdom: Plato's Understanding of Techne - David Roochnik

A Whack on the Side of the Head: How You Can Be More Creative - Roger von Oech 

 

Miscellaneous

UTOK Consilience Conference 2023 

 

Timecodes

00:00:00 — Dr. John Vervaeke sets the stage for the ensuing discussion on creativity and wisdom.

00:01:24 — Kevin Bowers begins his introduction and shares how creativity has significantly shaped his career.

00:03:00 — Bowers dives into how Dr. Vervaeke's work has enhanced his understanding of creativity and wisdom.

00:07:52 — Dr. Vervaeke introduces the pivotal themes of consilience and fittedness in creativity.

00:10:13 — Kevin Bowers discusses the concept of fittedness in creativity, marking a transformative stance in life.

00:17:05 — Bowers introduces the idea of authenticity as it relates to creativity and identity.

00:18:41 — Dr. Vervaeke explores the risks and rewards of self-transcendence within the context of creativity.

00:26:43 — Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh expands on the fluid nature of the creative process.

00:30:22 — Dr. Vervaeke probes into Ethan's ideas on identity formation versus persona adoption.

00:33:40 — Vervaeke suggests that creativity can enhance our ability to evolve wisely.

00:39:15 — Vervaeke discusses the concept of faith and its intricate relationship with creativity.

00:42:20 — Dr. Vervaeke tackles the issue of people self-identifying as non-creative.

00:47:57 — Kevin Bowers dismisses the notion that creativity is exclusively for artists.

00:51:27 — Kevin advocates for a shift in perspective towards creativity as a part of nature.

00:56:27 — Kevin emphasizes that creativity is accessible and can be practiced by everyone.

01:01:03 — Dr. Vervaeke discusses the concepts of wisdom and self-deception.

01:08:00 — Dr. Vervaeke elaborates on the idea of creativity as fitting and appropriate novelty.

01:17:53 — Kevin Bowers talks about the distinct roles of the artist and the judge in the creative 

process.

01:21:50 — Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh offers a poetic conclusion on the power of observation.