Former rugby player turned mountain climber extraordinaire, Ed Jackson, joins Gaby for a chat about all things joy.

He talks about empathy, living life to the full, being kind and why climbing a mountain is 'down time' for him.

During his time in hospital, after a terrible spinal injury, Ed saw just how easy it can be to have your life turned upside down, and has made it his mission in life to help people and raise awareness. He also saw how lonely some people were during that time, and encourages us all to be friendly and kind.

They also chat about his new book - 'From The Mountain's Edge' - as well as the charities he's involved in.

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