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Email Marketing Breakdown: How to Cut Through the Noise in 2025


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#241: Email Strategy | Email isn’t dead – it’s just changing fast.

It’s still one of the few B2B marketing channels where you can actually own your audience and reach your ideal customers with the push of a button.

In this session from the Ultimate Roast of B2B Emails, Danielle hosts Beth O’Malley (Founder, astral.), Jay Schwedelson (Founder, Subjectline.com & GURU Media Hub), and Jaina Mistry (Director, Brand and Content Marketing at Litmus) for a tactical session on what’s actually working in email marketing in 2025.

They cover:

  • What an effective email marketing strategy looks like today
  • Key elements of great emails
  • How to write irresistible subject lines
  • All the ins and outs of deliverability and landing in the inbox

Plus, they tackle a live Q&A, hot takes on open rates, resends, clickbait, personalization, and how to fix your email marketing strategy.

Timestamps

  • (00:00) - – Intro to Beth, Jay, and Jaina
  • (04:35) - – Why bad emails are killing results
  • (07:07) - – How to think about email beyond lead gen
  • (09:19) - – The real problem with how B2B measures email success
  • (10:35) - – Open rates: Are they dead or still useful?
  • (14:59) - – Should you resend to non-openers? The great debate
  • (19:55) - – Deliverability basics: What B2B marketers miss
  • (23:13) - – Personalization: What actually works (and what doesn’t)
  • (29:52) - – Why exclusion (not just segmentation) matters in email
  • (32:07) - – AI summaries and how they’re reshaping the inbox
  • (34:52) - – Clicks vs engagement: What you should really track
  • (37:17) - – Why structured clicks matter more than just "more clicks"
  • (41:02) - – How to think about email length and structure in 2025
  • (44:13) - – Technical tips: Avoiding clipping, formatting for mobile
  • (46:11) - – Clickbait subject lines: Where to draw the line
  • (48:12) - – Final advice for marketers

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