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EP 123: Befriending Your Nervous System: Building Capacity for Regulation with Deb Dana


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These days, the call for leaders to be adaptable, agile, flexible, clear, focused, and calm could lead many to think it's not okay to feel or that you need to be a robot.


We minimize our feelings and put on a brave face until we can no longer fake it, sometimes in the name of being “regulated.”


When there's a trend in language or an approach to healing, it can sometimes be reductive in how it's taught, explained, or understood. Concepts drawn from Polyvagal Theory, like regulation and activation, are no exception.


How some talk about regulation and dysregulation can create pressure to diminish our humanity so that we don't emote, and cause us to criticize someone if they're upset.


In reality, Polyvagal Theory offers a powerful addition to your toolbox for leading yourself and others well while staying aligned with your values. 


When we work towards helping our nervous systems become more agile and adaptable by putting in the reps and working to understand our systems and our stories, we can offer those we love and lead a greater sense of curiosity, compassion, and connection. And we will have enough boundaries and guardrails to know when to tap out, take a break, and ask for help.


Today’s guest teaches and discusses these topics so that we can learn to regulate our nervous systems better and connect better with others. 


Deb Dana, LCSW, is a clinician, consultant, author, and international lecturer on polyvagal theory-informed work with trauma survivors and is the leading translator of this scientific work to the public and mental health professionals. She's a founding member of the Polyvagal Institute and creator of the signature Rhythm of Regulation® clinical training series.

Deb's work shows us how understanding polyvagal theory applies across the board to relationships, mental health, and trauma. She delves into the intricacies of how we can all use and understand the organizing principles of polyvagal theory to change the ways we navigate our daily lives. 

Listen to the full episode to hear:

  • Why regulation is not a static state but an ongoing dynamic experience 
  • How understanding the subconscious survival responses of the nervous system under stress can help us learn to regulate and repair
  • Why we can’t discount or dismiss the messages our survival responses are trying to give us
  • How even micro-moments of responding to our nervous systems’ needs can create change
  • How building capacity to resourcing regulation increases our capacity to sit with discomfort and struggle in our lives and in the world
  • How leaders can use Polyvagal Theory concepts to create connected, collaborative environments for themselves and those they lead


Learn more about Deb Dana:

  • Rhythm of Regulation


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