The spotless desk, inbox zero, the to-do-list constructed the night before: these all sound like markers of high productivity. But what about those with a perpetually cluttered workspace, or those who prefer to switch between projects rather than focus on just one?

In this interview, Tim and I talk about why people love systems and organization, and why tolerating some disorder can increase creativity and innovation. Tim also shares the messy habits of some of the world's most creative people, and draws on research from a wide variety of fields to support the idea that working in slight disarray doesn't mean you're unproductive.

You can find show notes and more information by clicking here: http://bit.ly/2g8fv8Z