Hosts Jesse Eubanks and Sam Stevenson map the story of how Type 4s became who they are and interview pastor and author Scott Sauls about his own life story. Jesse and Scott face off in Hot Seat, where Jesse hopes a 4w3 mind-meld will bring him victory. Everyone also answers listener questions about Type 4. Get a copy of Mapping Your Enneagram Story at www.mappingyourstory.com.