In this powerful episode of The Birth Lounge Podcast, HeHe sits down with infectious disease scientist, Ellie to pull back the curtain on what’s really behind vaccines, immunity, and medical ethics. After years working in big pharma, Ellie began questioning what she saw from the inside, and now she’s here to help parents unpack the complex, often confusing world of vaccine science through an evidence-based, transparent lens.

Together, HeHe and Ellie dive into everything from the ingredients found in common vaccines (and why they’re there!) to the differences between live and attenuated viruses. They also explore the ethics of vaccine research, including the use of fetal cell lines, vaccinated vs. unvaccinated clinical trials, and how informed consent fits into modern medicine.

This conversation isn’t about fear, it’s about facts. It’s about asking better questions, understanding your options, and feeling confident in the choices you make for your family’s health. Ellie brings scientific clarity, a refreshing dose of honesty, and a deep respect for parental autonomy to this nuanced conversation.

If you’ve ever wanted a clearer understanding of vaccines and the ethics behind them, this episode is a must-listen.

03:27 Announcing the New Course: Pushing Out Your Big Ass Baby

05:34 Vaccine Exploration Series Finale

06:19 Ingredients in Vaccines: What You Need to Know

07:35 Interview with Infectious Disease Scientist Ellie

12:11 Ellie's Journey from Big Pharma to Vaccine Skepticism

40:44 Ethical and Scientific Concerns in Vaccine Development

01:02:33 Pharmaceutical Interactions and Clinical Trials

01:04:28 Autonomy and Vaccine Mandates

01:05:17 Herd Immunity and Vaccine Efficacy

01:06:38 Transparency and Trust in Healthcare

01:15:49 Ethics of Vaccine Studies

01:19:12 Challenges in Scientific Research

01:23:55 Vaccine Ingredients and Allergies

01:26:42 Live vs. Attenuated Vaccines

01:29:49 Shingles and Vaccine History

01:33:43 Scientific Communication and Public Trust

01:43:08 Final Thoughts and Resources

Guest Bio:

Ellie is an infectious disease scientist with a powerful personal story and a passion for making science accessible. With a B.S. in Cellular and Molecular Biology and an M.S. in Infectious Diseases and Microbiology, Ellie has spent years on the front lines of science—from developing vaccines for potential bioweapons during her graduate research to working in assay development and infectious disease research within the pharmaceutical industry.

Four years ago, she made the bold decision to step away from pharma and pursue a path that blends science, personal experience, and public education. Ellie was born with a left radial clubbed hand, congenital heart issues, and other challenges caused by a pharmaceutical product—an experience that has shaped her unique perspective on medicine. After undergoing countless surgeries, she deeply understands the life-saving value of western medicine, while also recognizing that alternatives can have a place in care.

Ellie now dedicates herself to helping people understand complex scientific topics so they can make empowered, informed health decisions. She believes that her journey—both scientific and deeply personal—is no accident. Through all the challenges she has faced, she’s seen the hand of Jesus guiding her path and believes God has kept her alive for a greater purpose. 

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