This week, I’m joined again by the brilliant Vanessa Blackstone and Olivia Sinaiko, co-authors of the Pain Reprocessing Therapy Workbook. We’re digging into something that’s both foundational and wildly misunderstood in the healing space: safety.

We talk about what it actually means to feel safe (spoiler: it’s not just doing deep breaths and saying “om”), why so many people struggle to access that sense of safety, and how our bodies carry the weight of fear even when our brains know better.

Vanessa and Olivia share personal stories that show just how layered this work can be, especially when it comes to unlearning the protective traits we picked up early on. We also get into grounding tools that don’t feel like a chore, why joy and play are essential parts of recovery (yes, even if you feel like trash), and how early life experiences shape the way your nervous system operates today.

This convo also touches on "small T" trauma, parenting under pressure, avoidance patterns, and the myth of fragility in the healing process.

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