In this special episode of the Relationship Matters Podcast, Katie Churchman will be stepping into the role of guest alongside CRR Global co-founder Faith Fuller, with the show guest-hosted by senior faculty member at CRR Global, Sandra Cain. Across the conversation, they discuss what they are learning about birth and death, which was inspired by their different life circumstances: at the time of recording, Katie was 24 weeks pregnant with twins, and Faith is navigating stage 4 Uterine cancer. This discussion covers a range of topics, including:

• The similarities between birth and death
• How birth and death can be a mirror for one another
• Myth changes and secondary identities
• Disappointed dreams, grief, and the limits of expectations
• The importance of presence
• The wisdom in uncertainty

Sandra Cain coaches individuals, pairs and teams around the world. Her background includes 15 years of experience at American Express with a variety of leadership and personal development roles. In addition to leading the CRR Global Core Curriculum, she is also Associate Director of the Certification Program and on faculty for The Coaches Training Institute. Her stand for this work is that since we’re already in relationships, we might as well be conscious and intentional about who we are, what we do and how we live.

Faith Fuller is co-founder and President of CRR Global. She is a psychologist and experienced trainer and coach with over 20 years of experience in working with organizations, couples and communities. Faith takes a systems approach to coaching, namely that all aspects of the system need to be addressed in order for effective change to occur. Her particular skill is empowering powerful, productive and joyous relationships in couples, partnerships and teams. She also has a background in consultation, team building, conflict resolution and community crisis intervention.

Katie Churchman is the host of the Relationship Matters podcast and a Front of the Room faculty member at CRR Global. As an ICF Professional Certified Coach (PCC), certified in Organisational & Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSCC) & the ICF’s Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC), Katie helps leaders, teams & organisations find clarity & direction so that they can take ownership of goals and achieve results. Her coaching sessions are designed to deliver maximum impact and measurable growth specific to business objectives, professional aspirations & personal goals. Katie is passionate about bringing great communication skills & leadership development to organisations worldwide to build positive cultures & create tangible, sustainable change. Katie specialises in coaching individuals & teams across a wide range of areas, including Leadership Development, Change Mindset, Personal Impact, Presentation Skills, Effective Communication and Storytelling. She is goal-orientated, energetic & enjoys working with a fun, focused approach.


For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of Faculty and Partners, we connect, inspire, and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time

We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.