Carl Wilkens, speaker and educator on the Rwandan Genocide and the only American who chose to remain in the country during the Rwandan genocide. Carl is a dear friend, speaker, and all-around inspiring man. In 1994, he was the only American who chose to remain in the country after the Rwandan genocide began.

In this conversation, Carl shares his life experiences, emphasizing the importance of family, mentorship, and the journey from certainty to curiosity. He reflects on his upbringing, the influence of his parents, and the lessons learned from his experiences in Rwanda. The discussion highlights the significance of relationships and the complexities of navigating life. In this conversation, Carl shares profound insights on love, certainty, and the complexities of human relationships, particularly in the context of the Rwandan genocide. He emphasizes the importance of love as a guiding principle, the necessity of acceptance in the face of pain, and the potential for good within everyone, even those who commit atrocities. The discussion explores how relationships can be built even amidst chaos and how understanding the nuances of good and evil can lead to healing and reconciliation. In this conversation, Carl shares profound insights from his experiences in conflict zones, emphasizing the importance of seeing potential allies in adversaries, the transformative power of service, and the complexities of forgiveness and reconciliation. He discusses the journey of reframing perceptions, the nature of love, and the impact of shame on personal growth. The dialogue culminates in a call to redefine success through kindness and understanding, highlighting the inherent goodness within every individual.

Carl’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Im-not-leaving-Carl-Wilkens/dp/1450780806