In this conversation, Justin & Seth discuss personal updates, including Justin's health challenges and recovery journey. They explore the impact of pain on spiritual connection, the importance of community, and the lessons learned from hospitalization. Justin shares insights on coaching philosophy and personal growth, emphasizing the need for connection and understanding in both personal and professional relationships. In this conversation, Justin and Seth explore the themes of connection, vulnerability, and the dynamics of relationships, particularly in leadership and marriage. They discuss the importance of understanding our shared humanity, the challenges of maintaining connection in a fear-driven world, and the necessity of trust and submission in marital relationships. The dialogue emphasizes the need for open communication and the courage to ask difficult questions to foster deeper understanding and connection.  Seth Hill and Justin also explore themes of self-sacrifice, submission in relationships, and the importance of calm engagement during conflicts. They discuss the illusion of control in life and the value of diverse perspectives in personal growth. The dialogue also touches on the significance of deep conversations and the role of equipment in swimming training, emphasizing the need for purpose in athletic endeavors.