For starters, I just want to be real clear that Lisa and I recorded this episode when she was in Nashville two weeks ago, before corona virus was the center of all conversations and before I was quarantined. So please forgive the moments that sound a bit tone deaf, we had no idea what today would bring when we were together two weeks ago.

Lisa Whittle is one of my favorite voices in the faith space right now. Her new book Jesus Over Everything is honestly exactly what we need right now. I think this book will really give you some hope and some help. Grab a copy today!

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