Kerry is a woman recovering from depression and divorce. She spent years believing the sadness that enveloped her was normal, but also doing everything she could to hide it – and herself – from the world.

In a beautiful conversation about recovery and the evolution of true friendship, Erin talks with Kerry about her “grey ghost years,” a long stretch of time when Kerry suffered alone with depression. They also discuss marriage, their postpartum experiences, motherhood, narcissistic relationships, the power of therapy and how developing a deep reliance on a wide variety of recovery tools can truly save your life.  

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