In the early episodes of HOME, Holly and Laura made a snarky joke about spirituality in recovery (not their coolest moment). Catherine Gray, today's guest and an atheist, rightly called them on it. A series of beautiful and enlightening conversations ensued, culminating in this episode's discussion with Catherine.

They talk about what it means to be an atheist in an AA-centric recovery world, how believers and non-believers share the path and learn from each other, and Holly and Laura get to ask some basic, burning questions like: "How do you not believe in a bigger...SOMETHING? Catherine walks through her path to sobriety, her mixed experience with AA, and generally woos us all with her lovely way.